Lol, we have been since the settlers landed.
Many of us want to be better.
Try harder, thoughts and prayers won’t cut it, you’re way past the no-return point.
We’ve been making it better for the last 250 years. There have been setbacks and regressions, but the overall arch has been progress. If we make it through this backslide we can still continue improving.
Many of us are frankly better. Its par for the course these days for the entire nation to be judged by the behavior of its worst, and if challenged, people will say if we don’t like it we should be in the streets protesting violently. But it’s a lot of armchair quarterbacking IMO and I try not to let it bother me. We’re donating and volunteering to support a blue wave in the midterms. If this doesn’t impress Europeans on Lemmy I have no shits to give.
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If any society from more than 60 years ago doesn’t seem barbaric, it means society hasn’t progressed and shit is fucked up.
Even oldschool public executions is tame compared to this though, because it’ll be live streamed globally and recorded.
When you look at shit happening today and it’s 1,000 times worse than a century ago, it’s fucking noteworthy.
Stop acting like this shit isn’t a huge deal and it’s always been like this.
The Vietnam war was less than 60 years ago. Plus all of the wars in the middle east, our torture black sites, overthrowing democracies for profit, etc.
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You think it’s a clock and is only real after 60 years?
Progress is a constant thing. It’s pushing a cart up hill. If youre not further up the hill every step, it’s not progress.
60 years, 60 months, 60 days, 60 minutes…
The length of time doesn’t matter, just that progress happens.
Every well adjusted person should have a shit ton of regrets, because they keep progressing as a human and find prior behavior unacceptable. That’s the same for a nation.
Do you legitimately not understand that?
What is the progress tho? US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years. It is as fucked in the head as it ever was.
What is the progress tho?
There hasn’t been any…
From the early 90s to 2025 the neoliberals controlled the DNC. They kept moving right, so Republicans did the same to differentiate.
We finally have a non biased DNC again (Obama just ignored it, or wed have gotten in in 2009 and shit never would have gotten this bad)
That means a neoliberal won’t win the next presidential primary, because they could never win a fair primary. It took Hillary hiding behind Bill’s charisma to get them the DNC in the first place.
But all of that was orchestrated by the wealthy to stop progress. They just plan on generational timelines.
US has been genociding an entire people for the past 3 years.
Gaza? The government has been enabling it, but acting like it’s already America commiting a genocide, just means when/if our government crosses that line, people are numb to it.
That’s a widely used propaganda technique, and trump himself does it all the time. Everytime he says “we may do that” is so some people get outraged early, and that prevents people from getting outraged at the same time.
Like, I fully understand your intent and that you think you’re helping, but you’re only helping the oligarchs when you blur lines like this.
Not to mention thats everything thats public information. You go behind the scenes and you’re begging to lose all hope and meaning.
I guarantee there will be all sorts of meme videos about it. Lots of AI videos, too.
But how will they feel smart then?
There’s enough pedos in politics without bringing drake into this…
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I think that there’s a difference between being barbaric while trying to appear civilized and being barbaric and proud of it. Both are bad, the latter is worse.
If you can’t see the difference, from an ethical standpoint, between livestreaming an execution and keeping it away from the eyes of the general population, you’re a bit of a sociopath.
You are a barbaric nation, livestreamed or not. You still have the death penalty for starters, and every school shooting is met with thoughts and prayers and nothing else.
You’ve always been this way and it’s taken a monster shining a torch on it to show you. And your plan is just to get rid of the monster, as if that makes it all OK again…
30% barbaric. 30% not barbaric. 40% undecided.
We just don’t have the luxury of that argument, I’m afraid… The problems here are systemic and exist within each of us to some degree.
Classic murica.
got a loicense for that opinion, mate?
Yeah, the U.S. sucks but people from the U.K. can shut the fuck up about it.
American here. People from everywhere and anywhere can say whatever they want about the US. If that makes you feel bad, you can log off and not read the comments.
I love a lot of things about this country, I work hard and am actively working towards trying to make the America around me less shitty. But the comments and criticisms on America and the people that live here and who is in power are valid. Don’t like it, fine and you may fuck off and go do something productive.
Not the unprovoked bombing of a school?
Yeah but that was like over there. This is here. You know?
True! Alright so I’ll roll coal with my rented and lifted F350 tonight!!! w00t w00t
You already are a barbarian nation for still having capital punishment in the first place.
This new development would just put you a few notches farther away from civilization.
And for torturing people. And for supporting genocide. And for bombing children. And for putting people in concentration camps…
Imprisoning Trump and his goons wont make a difference. Treason and mass murder need to be dealt with in a permanent way.
You’re a barbaric nation for many reasons already, this will just be another nail in the coffin.
I always thought their oath of allegiance, done every day in school, sounded so much like something kids in North Korea would be forced to do.
This is just another thing to add to the pile.
Lol the fact that you’re even comparing them to a country that they literally genocided speaks to the effectiveness of American propaganda. Glad y’all eyes are starting to open up, but America has always been the evil country doing evil things lol.
I mean the majority of us are British decendant, who historically are not known for being kind to their neighbors lol
The worst of the Brits, if I remember the history of the first settlers correctly.
Sorry you already are
The fuck you mean “if”?!
Rest of the world’s got news for you folks.
The people that I’ve unfortunately talked to that either support or don’t condone it do not care that this is “barbaric”. They condone violence, and they want more of it.
You cannot shame or reason with these people. American religious conservatism is a cancer and you cannot reason with or shame with a cancer.
You are a barbaric nation for not ending the death penalty
May as well put the brutality on display, will help people realise why it’s wrong
And for not ending slavery, as the constitution clearly states that slavery is illegal, except when incarcerated.
Hate to break it to you, but this has always been a barbaric nation that was founded on colonialism and genocide. Putting an execution behind closed doors does not change that.
After 3 years of full fledged US-backed livestreamed genocide it is quite astounding people are upset about an execution being livestreamed
Every nation is barbaric. Show me one that isn’t.
Maybe we can stay on topic, big guy, we’re shitting on America right now.
We absolutely are. America isn’t humane.
Hegseth should get life in prison. What an arrogant twat he is.
He’s a traitor and there is a punishment for treason that is spelled out clearly so everyone knows. That’s what he deserves.
No. Prison isn’t for punishment. It’s for corrections. You can’t correct someone by punishment.
He’s a sick man that needs to he separated by society and put in a faculty with the best therapy until he’s able to return to society without harming others. Depending on how far gone he is, that could be years to life.
It’s a barbaric nation either way. That’s long since been determined. The question is how specifically fucked up is it.
I mean, look, ICE has been publicly executing people for the last year and change, right? That’s some fucked up shit, and the people in power show no signs of stopping it. That’s barbarism.
The people in power have nothing to gain from stopping it. The people who are NOT in power have everything to gain from stopping it- but the cowards choose not to.
but the cowards choose not to.
While there are definitely vast amounts of cowards, do bare in mind that propaganda (i.e. turning on the tv in that country) and isolation (union-busting and other anti-organizational tactics) make average Joe feel like they can’t change anything by themselves.
Which is true, bust most muricans don’t realize they can achieve quite a bit if they organize.
Of course they’d have to care about their neighbors and get off their obese individualists asses first…
If? Fuck you. The US is definitely a barbaric nation. Don’t try to give them an option for an out.
What’s the out? The religious conservatives in this country are bloodthirsty and violent and will just embrace this accusation.
They’ll see this accusation and go “good, we’re not being barbaric enough!” Barbarians are strong and might is right! That is how these people think.
The out as in if this doesn’t go through it implies that perhaps the US is a non barbaric nation by this wording.
We’ve been a barbaric nation for a while. It’s just on full display now. This display of violence changes nothing.
We passed the “barbaric” marker a long time ago.
Yes, but this publication is conservative. When they’re saying it’s barbaric, it’s bad.
