Insiders, including at centrist think tank Third Way, are cautioning Democratic candidates against echoing Republican talking points on trans rights.
Insiders, including at centrist think tank Third Way, are cautioning Democratic candidates against echoing Republican talking points on trans rights.
So, what you’re saying is, so long as capitalism exists, trans people should just shut the fuck up and get genocided.
Yeah, totally, a person who thinks like this gives a shit about unsheltered people and impoverished mothers. Who are you trying to fool?
Edit: putting this other response here because you dipshits don’t realize you can be transphobic while talking for trans people with “good intentions.”
Because trans people are the people who are impoverished. To act like these are seperate things and that one is more worthy than the other is trans erasure. Just because you know transphobia is bad, doesn’t mean you aren’t transphobic. The reason we aren’t able to forget about trans people is because they do experience poverty and shelter insecurity at disproportionate rates; there is no discussion on one without the other unless you intend to erase trans people, go figure.
i dont think that’s what they were saying at all
What do you think causes shelter insecurity and impoverished mothers, exactly?
Well it’s not trans people I can tell you that much.
Mhmmmm, so, what would have to go in order to stop shelter insecurity and the impoverishment of mothers, as the original commenter insisted would be necessary before we deal with trans genocide?
That’s not what the original commenter was saying and I’m not sure how you got there.
As the original commenter, I’m very confused how anyone came to a conclusion that my comments were anything but supportive of transgender people being left alone to live their lives in peace, and instead advocating for people getting upset about poverty.
Because trans people are the people who are impoverished. To act like these are seperate things and that one is more worthy than the other is trans erasure. Just because you know transphobia is bad, doesn’t mean you aren’t transphobic. The reason we aren’t able to forget about trans people is because they do experience poverty and shelter insecurity at disproportionate rates; there is no discussion on one without the other unless you intend to erase trans people, go figure.
Oh Jesus Christ.
I’m not even going to address the steaming pile of excrement that is your response, because the mentally ill people I was referring to were right-wingers obsessed with transgender athletes, and your reading comprehension was too poor to figure it out.
NOTHING I said referenced anyone who supports transgender people or their rights. I’m ONE of those people who support them.
Learn to read, for God’s sake. You should be ashamed of yourself in this conversation. I’ve been a huge supporter of transgender people and their rights for fucking DECADES.
there you go.
I was literally saying the opposite of the way you interpreted this.
I was pointing out that people who have literally no memory of ever interacting with a transgender person probably shouldn’t be focusing on whether transgender people are a danger to them, and should instead be focusing on the fact that people aren’t able to afford the basic things they need to live.
You mean you meant to say the opposite of this. What you literally said is that transgender issues have less gravity than those other (interlinked, interdependent) issues. It’s a narrative that also conveniently discards the reality that any queerphobia is pathologized to avoid more nuanced discussions on the material conditions of capitalism.
Liberals often say the wrong thing trying to dunk on a perceived opponent, and they just use language that inadvertently promotes the values they supposedly disagree with. What exactly did you think would be read out of, “if you are thinking about transgender people instead of unsheltered people, you’re mentally ill?”
I mean I said what I said, and a majority of people who read it understood it.
I’m sorry that you weren’t among them.
I was referring to the right-wingers obsessed with transgender people in sports.
And now that you know that, feel free to delete your shitty little uninformed comments that you’ve littered all over this page attacking me for expressing support for transgender people.
You’re not supporting trans people. Full stop. I explained why, you’re choosing to again not support trans people.
And now that you know that, feel free to edit your original comment to address the harm in it.
You didn’t express support for transgender people. You said that anyone who’s not trans shouldn’t be thinking about them.
Okay, first off, no, I said something incredibly specific that was absolutely NOT what you accused me of saying. I’m going to quote it here:
In no way is this saying that people shouldn’t be thinking about transgender people. It’s just factually not saying that.
What it is saying is that if you see those other things and your brain still can’t help but focus on transgender people, then you’re either transgender yourself, or you’re mentally ill.
As someone who cares about others, when I see people starving, parents who can’t afford to feed their children, and people who can’t afford to pay for gas, I’m sorry, but transgender people are NOT at the center of my thoughts, and I’m sorry, but I don’t think it’s justified for anyone to expect transgender people to be at the center of my thoughts when I see those things. The thing at the center of my thoughts is to make sure that everyone has their basic needs met.
But there are people who see all of that, and they STILL want to act like transgender women in sports is a big important issue that they need to be focusing all of their attention on.
Do you disagree that that perspective is mental illness?
And I’m going to ask you a serious question:
I’m assuming you’re transgender.
Do you assume that cisgender people who care about transgender people are focusing primarily on transgender people when they’re living their own lives and are unable to feed themselves, unable to pay for gas, unable to pay for healthcare, unable to meet their basic needs?
Because I’m going to tell you that no, they’re not.
You absolutely ARE a concern. We want you to be able to live. We want you to be okay.
But you are not the only ones in danger right now. There are A LOT of people in danger right now. We aren’t just focused on the small micro groups within the people who are in danger. We are thinking of THE WHOLE of the people who are in danger.
But you know who IS thinking of you? The people who keep making motions to create laws to hurt you, and the people who they’re brainwashing into supporting them.
And by the way, I am absolutely NOT a liberal.
You are wasting both of our time by trying to start a conflict with me. I am literally one of the people who would be the most likely to support you. I’m not transgender, but I absolutely AM autistic, and that group has A LOT more transgender people in it than the general population. And since I’m autistic, I am also one of the people who is in danger from the people in power right now.
Please stop attacking me and stop wasting both of our time. We both have much more pressing issues right now than attacking each other.
You drastically misrepresented who I am and then you doubled down on it, which is ironic, given the way that others have treated you. I am not someone who would treat you like that. I am sorry you’re suffering. I very sincerely hope for better for you in the future. But please have an understanding that you can be incorrect about who you’re interacting with. This interaction is the kind of interaction that the people who hate you will use to parody you and to make you look bad, and I very truthfully believe that you deserve better in your life than that.