Insiders, including at centrist think tank Third Way, are cautioning Democratic candidates against echoing Republican talking points on trans rights.

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    9 hours ago

    I was literally saying the opposite of the way you interpreted this.

    I was pointing out that people who have literally no memory of ever interacting with a transgender person probably shouldn’t be focusing on whether transgender people are a danger to them, and should instead be focusing on the fact that people aren’t able to afford the basic things they need to live.

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      9 hours ago

      You mean you meant to say the opposite of this. What you literally said is that transgender issues have less gravity than those other (interlinked, interdependent) issues. It’s a narrative that also conveniently discards the reality that any queerphobia is pathologized to avoid more nuanced discussions on the material conditions of capitalism.

      Liberals often say the wrong thing trying to dunk on a perceived opponent, and they just use language that inadvertently promotes the values they supposedly disagree with. What exactly did you think would be read out of, “if you are thinking about transgender people instead of unsheltered people, you’re mentally ill?”

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        7 hours ago

        I mean I said what I said, and a majority of people who read it understood it.

        I’m sorry that you weren’t among them.

        I was referring to the right-wingers obsessed with transgender people in sports.

        And now that you know that, feel free to delete your shitty little uninformed comments that you’ve littered all over this page attacking me for expressing support for transgender people.

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          7 hours ago

          You’re not supporting trans people. Full stop. I explained why, you’re choosing to again not support trans people.

          And now that you know that, feel free to edit your original comment to address the harm in it.

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          7 hours ago

          You didn’t express support for transgender people. You said that anyone who’s not trans shouldn’t be thinking about them.

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            Okay, first off, no, I said something incredibly specific that was absolutely NOT what you accused me of saying. I’m going to quote it here:

            If you see the homeless people in the streets, the unaffordable gas prices, and the moms who can’t feed their children, and you’re still thinking about transgender people, you’re either transgender or mentally ill.

            In no way is this saying that people shouldn’t be thinking about transgender people. It’s just factually not saying that.

            What it is saying is that if you see those other things and your brain still can’t help but focus on transgender people, then you’re either transgender yourself, or you’re mentally ill.

            As someone who cares about others, when I see people starving, parents who can’t afford to feed their children, and people who can’t afford to pay for gas, I’m sorry, but transgender people are NOT at the center of my thoughts, and I’m sorry, but I don’t think it’s justified for anyone to expect transgender people to be at the center of my thoughts when I see those things. The thing at the center of my thoughts is to make sure that everyone has their basic needs met.

            But there are people who see all of that, and they STILL want to act like transgender women in sports is a big important issue that they need to be focusing all of their attention on.

            Do you disagree that that perspective is mental illness?

            And I’m going to ask you a serious question:

            I’m assuming you’re transgender.

            Do you assume that cisgender people who care about transgender people are focusing primarily on transgender people when they’re living their own lives and are unable to feed themselves, unable to pay for gas, unable to pay for healthcare, unable to meet their basic needs?

            Because I’m going to tell you that no, they’re not.

            You absolutely ARE a concern. We want you to be able to live. We want you to be okay.

            But you are not the only ones in danger right now. There are A LOT of people in danger right now. We aren’t just focused on the small micro groups within the people who are in danger. We are thinking of THE WHOLE of the people who are in danger.

            But you know who IS thinking of you? The people who keep making motions to create laws to hurt you, and the people who they’re brainwashing into supporting them.

            And by the way, I am absolutely NOT a liberal.

            You are wasting both of our time by trying to start a conflict with me. I am literally one of the people who would be the most likely to support you. I’m not transgender, but I absolutely AM autistic, and that group has A LOT more transgender people in it than the general population. And since I’m autistic, I am also one of the people who is in danger from the people in power right now.

            Please stop attacking me and stop wasting both of our time. We both have much more pressing issues right now than attacking each other.

            You drastically misrepresented who I am and then you doubled down on it, which is ironic, given the way that others have treated you. I am not someone who would treat you like that. I am sorry you’re suffering. I very sincerely hope for better for you in the future. But please have an understanding that you can be incorrect about who you’re interacting with. This interaction is the kind of interaction that the people who hate you will use to parody you and to make you look bad, and I very truthfully believe that you deserve better in your life than that.