Before the election some asshole on Lemmy said if I voted for Harris, I’d have “Palastine blood on my hands.” Well I voted for her anyway because (and I can’t stress this enough) she was the most viable candidate to beat trump, and unlike trump, there might have been a chance to save at least some Palestinian lives.
Well trump won, and it was in part because of those assholes who refused to vote for Harris. The fucker who said that is the one with the blood on his hands.
I am positive that the protest voter campaign was 100% pro-trump. They wanted an Israel victory. Probably paid for by AIPAC.
I always like to point out that ex-slave Frederick Douglas bypassed a candidate who was strong for Abolition in order to work with Abe Lincoln, who was willing to keep slavery if it meant preserving the Union.
Douglas decided it was smarter for him to back the candidate who was most likely to win, in hopes that Lincoln could be persuaded once in office.
Wait, what should they have done differently in the Spanish civil war and in case of Rosa Luxemburg in your opinion?
What concession/compromise should they have done in order to stop their defeat by fascists/monarchists?
Or do you mean specifically that the extremists like to talk about those “moral victories” but dont want to contribute to politics and use compromise, without meaning that those examples of yours could have been saved by a compromise?
This comment is straight out of the Republican playbook. There’s no blame on previous Republicans because they need to shift the narrative away from them. Anyways I’m convinced the left won the vote and voting machines were tampered with.
It’s not that they deserve more blame, it’s just pretty pointless to blame the people everyone knew were going to vote for Trump anyway, there was never any saving them and they’re too disconnected from reality for blame-and-shame to have any effect on them. There are actually reasonable people who were non-voters and non-viable 3rd-party voters who could have shifted the vote, the idea is to keep those people from doing that again in an effort to save democracy. We blame them because they are functionally fascists and there’s a chance they might actually feel some shame about that. That chance drops to zero with actual Republican voters.
Oh fuck right off. The ‘your vote means nothing anyway’ shit is whats actually out of the playbook. Because its pigs like you that continue to blame the Dems for everything and actually ignore the Republicans.
Dumbass trying to pull the ‘no u’ childish shit for being lazy as fuck.
At least some democrats are changing their tune on Israel and these latest primaries are looking good. Hopefully they’ll win those protest voters back.
There never were that many if those. Harris was going to lose regardless, as was Biden. They should have held real primaries and not rig it for the democratic socialist candidates to lose.
Sorry but no. A candidate that loses by 1.5% is far from a candidate that was “going to lose regardless”.
People act like it was this huge strategic blunder but it’s easy to talk shit once the battle is lost. Democratic socialists were not particularly popular outside of your online social circle, maybe they’d have tanked even harder.
Now I understand, if you opted to sit this one out, that it feels better to tell yourself Harris was going to lose anyway. But in 2024 every vote counted and every non voter was a willing ally of the trump regime.
For sure the cat is now out of the bag and they would be stupid to do the same thing in 2028. But in 2024 it was a coin toss, and there was no guarantee an actual leftist would fare any better. It’s hard to love Kamala but she still managed to move 48% of voters so it’s not like she got steamrolled.
Today things have changed and it’s easier to imagine a radical winning. A leftist populist that really feels like an anti system vote could probably get something done. And it could get pretty spicy as there are no more norms and the power of the US president has expanded considerably so that’s an interesting thought.
“The cat is now out of the bag” see that’s the problem right there. The US has had obviously bad politics for a really long time, and if you needed the last election to tell you that then it is you who are astronomically stupid and ignorant.
What moved 48% of voters was Trump being himself and voters voting against him instead of for Harris. I highly doubt a leftist candidate who was actually engaging and a true representative of the people would have had a hard time winning. Harris herself was doing pretty well at the start when she had a much more progressive message and then she blew it all up by fucking around with Liz Cheney and halting any of the shit that got her campaign going at the start.
And yet you talk vicious like they do, when someone doesn’t 100% align with their moronic takes. You didn’t even address 1% of my comment before resorting to insults. Fuck you and your kind.
They had nothing to do with it but if they had voted, the US and to some extent the world wouldn’t be in this mess. And they’re trying to blame Dem strategists for their own failure to do the easiest thing, which was to hold your nose and vote for a stinking liberal rather than let a literal fascist win.
Western electorates are so deep in the main character syndrome that when they fail they have to spin it as somebody else’s strategic error. Classic golden child bullshit.
I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades.
Also, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t blame people for not voting blue to stop fascism even if they don’t like the blue candidate, and at the same time say the votes are proof that the blue candidate was the right pick. If wasn’t and that’s why they lost. Don’t blame the voters there wasn’t more enthusiasm, maybe try to have an actual platform next time
I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades
I don’t disagree but was it that obvious to the average voter in 2024 after a year of full on pro-trump media blitz?
When a candidate loses by 20 points it’s easy to guess what their mistake was. When they lose by 1.5% I find out a whole less obvious. It’s all hypotheticals but really there was no guarantee a leftist candidate would have done better. Maybe yes, maybe no.
In France in 2022 we had a good example of a deeply unpopular status quo candidate winning over both the leftist and the fascist candidates. The fascist would have steamrolled the leftist in a heart beat if they had both gotten to the second turn.
Just because we have personal preference for leftist candidates doesn’t make them win elections.
The preference is for a candidate with an appealing platform. US politics often does not have that and is 100% relying on rejection of the other candidate. The American voting system sucks completely. The democratic party should hold true to their name and at the very least hold fair primaries before every election. And make the primaries fair so everyone votes at the same time, and losers can’t decide where their votes go and spoil other options.
I’m not disputing any of that. I would also prefer that. But it doesn’t mean it’s a dominant strategy, or that it would have worked in 2024. That’s all I’m saying.
All of this (gestures broadly) is the direct and inevitable result of lesser-evilism. A few people not sitting out the last election may have delayed this timeline (though I’m doubtful there were even enough protest-non-voters to make any difference), but this has been building for a long time and Harris hadn’t talked about any plans to reverse that trend.
I think you misunderstood me. Voting for the “lesser evil” is a valid strategy if it comes up every once in a while and you can use it to avert disaster, but when every single election comes down to voting for the “lesser evil”, then you just end up on a steady march toward an evil outcome.
We’ve been on this path for decades, with today’s Democrats being far to the right of where Republicans were fifty years ago. Even if Harris wasn’t as bad as Trump (which she almost certainly wouldn’t be), she would help build the framework for the next Trump-like monster that followed her.
You don’t fix an evil system by voting for evil over and over again, evil if it’s the lesser evil. We need to stop seeing Democratic candidates like Harris and the like for any movement away from evil to happen.
We need to stop seeing Democratic candidates like Harris and the like for any movement away from evil to happen.
And we need to stop electing fascists if we ever want a chance to “see” (read: vote for) such a candidate. It’s actually not about this abstract, undefined “greater evil vs lesser evil” bullshit, it’s about what the two viable candidates were actually likely to do once in power. Everyone knew Trump was a fascist who would try to literally end democracy, he’s done it before and it was essentially his entire platform. Yet here we are. Dems, as experience has taught us, were likely to piddle around for four to eight years and do some performative but ineffectual lip service to their base, while keeping what passes as democracy in place. Seems like a pretty easy choice to me. You can’t fix a system from within if the system has been burned to ground.
I totally agree. I think keeping the extreme evil of Trump out of power was worth voting for a controlled opposition establishment Democrat (and of course I voted for Harris and didn’t sit the election out).
A campaign based on lesser evil drives down voter turnout if it’s used every single election, which it has been for so long. The one reprieve we’ve had was Obama (the first time, when he still seemed progressive) running on a campaign of hope and change. Trump is the worst we’ve seen so far, but all of the Republican candidates back to at least Reagan were pretty awful people and the Democratic stance was mostly just pointing out how awful they are.
If we consistently don’t get opposition candidates with a positive message and plan for fixing things, we end up with low voter turnout and monsters like Trump in office.
And don’t forget the thousands of brown people that have been murdered in their own countries as a result. Their sacrifice is apparently acceptable if it helps save glorious American politics.
I think we can maybe build a better society by electing better representatives to office, but if you want to read that hope for a solution as some personal attack against “minorities” (which I’m apparently not anymore), then you’re just one less person trying to actually fix all this.
Maybe raging against strangers on the internet and turning people away from you will make things better. 🤷
Abstaining from voting is not “electing better representatives”, especially not when one guy is Donald John Trump.
I do have hope for a solution. I just don’t see how any good will come from treating the solution like a zero sum game where comprimiste is tantamount to defeat. Nothing good has ever come from that mentality.
Letting the pedophile dictator with a lifetime of ties to corrupt powerful men the world over, become leader of the most wealthy nation state the world has ever seen, with less guardrails and more radicalized sycophants and loyalists, with the hopes it will spark a revolution, that succeeds, and ends with a coalition of left leaning leadership, reforming our country à la Nordic democratic socialism…
… is inevitable?
…
Oh and also, I’m calm. Stop projecting your frustration onto me.
I think the issue is youre more upset at the people with little to no power not voting rather than our leaders over decades creating this outcome. People with power have created the country we live in today regardless if they were blue or red.
We had no choice in Kamala being the candidate, and she was an utter disaster. You should be more mad about a lack of a primary than non voters. Its the candidates responsibility to get people to vote for them and the outcome solely falls on their shoulders. No one but Kamala and the Democrat leaders are to blame for low voter turn out, if they wanted more votes they should have had more popular policies. Its obvious genocide isn’t popular yet they made the choice to support it, thats on them, not a nobody you couldn’t even name staying home because they didn’t like either option.
Your choosing to blame and fight with people similar to you with little to no power rather than blaming and fighting those with power who created the situation we are in. Your anger is misplaced and that’s an issue.
Immigrants and trans people are just collateral damage to you
You’re literally justifying Palestinians as collateral damage. You don’t have the moral high ground here. You’re perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of others.
False equivalence. Palestine was fucked either way, and Harris winning was probably the better outcome of the two. No outcome was going to stop the genocide, so it’s not particularly relevant to the choice. Except that the outcome we got was almost certainly the worse one.
Trans people and immigrants did have outcomes that were radically different based on who won. The choice changed the outcome, so it was relevant
Pulling your head out of the sand doesn’t make you an accelerationist. Nobody with any sense wanted Trump, but thinking that a Harris win was going to set us on the right track is delusional.
Who said anything about righting the ship? You do that by primarying democrat incumbents with progressives and socialists in every primary, and then in the general you prevent republicans from winning by picking the democrat because third parties are not viable in virtually every district, hence the overwhelming majority of federally elected representatives being from one of the only two viable parties. But you have to stop the fucking republicans from getting elected first. Pay fucking attention.
Yeah, the people that got Trump elected. Pay fuckin attention. And fuck off with your both sides rhetoric, it’s accelerationist and elects republicans. Stop working for pedophiles.
Dude, your establishment Democrats are part of the pedophile cabal! The lesser evil is also evil and we need to stop supporting them and pretending we’re not part of the problem.
Congratulations, you put the greater evil in power. Enjoy your false sense of moral superiority while they’re killing people like me. You’re no better than a MAGAt.
Nope. Never gonna not call that out. You vote or you blindly accept the consequences; but we don’t need to accept or respect non-participation when their actions affect us.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Before the election some asshole on Lemmy said if I voted for Harris, I’d have “Palastine blood on my hands.” Well I voted for her anyway because (and I can’t stress this enough) she was the most viable candidate to beat trump, and unlike trump, there might have been a chance to save at least some Palestinian lives.
Well trump won, and it was in part because of those assholes who refused to vote for Harris. The fucker who said that is the one with the blood on his hands.
I am positive that the protest voter campaign was 100% pro-trump. They wanted an Israel victory. Probably paid for by AIPAC.
I always like to point out that ex-slave Frederick Douglas bypassed a candidate who was strong for Abolition in order to work with Abe Lincoln, who was willing to keep slavery if it meant preserving the Union.
Douglas decided it was smarter for him to back the candidate who was most likely to win, in hopes that Lincoln could be persuaded once in office.
Pragmatism is intolerable to extremists.
Any concession is viewed as total defeat.
Just like any other zealot, religious or otherwise
Except for actual total defeat, which is seen as a ‘moral victory.’
See “Spanish Civil War,” “The Black Panthers,” and “Rosa Luxemburg”
Wait, what should they have done differently in the Spanish civil war and in case of Rosa Luxemburg in your opinion?
What concession/compromise should they have done in order to stop their defeat by fascists/monarchists?
Or do you mean specifically that the extremists like to talk about those “moral victories” but dont want to contribute to politics and use compromise, without meaning that those examples of yours could have been saved by a compromise?
Obviously, the latter.
Sorry, but internet and all its inhabitants have made me ask for confirmation regarding how something is meant.
Obviously
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Based strategery
What does that even mean?
‘Based’? It’s this week’s word like ‘groovy’. The meaning changes with the needs. Very fetch.
Stop trying to make fetch happen.
So off the chain it’s streets ahead.
6 7?
Whoah now whippersnapper!
I looked that one up.
It means exactly what it sounds like; the young bucks would snap their whips over their horses’ heads to get the poor beasts to run faster.
This comment is straight out of the Republican playbook. There’s no blame on previous Republicans because they need to shift the narrative away from them. Anyways I’m convinced the left won the vote and voting machines were tampered with.
https://thehill.com/business/5547784-dominion-voting-systems-liberty-vote/
People should see the change of hands before the election.
edit: dont think this is out of the republican playbook after discourse, going to do more research before i make claims. https://prri.org/spotlight/breaking-down-the-differences-between-voters-and-non-voters-in-the-2024-election/
Yeah literally nobody here is saying that. Stop fucking lying.
Ya my comment sounded too aggressive. I just meant to say that the top comment is making us blame non voters more.
It’s not that they deserve more blame, it’s just pretty pointless to blame the people everyone knew were going to vote for Trump anyway, there was never any saving them and they’re too disconnected from reality for blame-and-shame to have any effect on them. There are actually reasonable people who were non-voters and non-viable 3rd-party voters who could have shifted the vote, the idea is to keep those people from doing that again in an effort to save democracy. We blame them because they are functionally fascists and there’s a chance they might actually feel some shame about that. That chance drops to zero with actual Republican voters.
Dems aren’t the left
Thanks for the correction. I’ll just say right propaganda made me more stupid.
Edit: more like lemmy community is educated
Oh fuck right off. The ‘your vote means nothing anyway’ shit is whats actually out of the playbook. Because its pigs like you that continue to blame the Dems for everything and actually ignore the Republicans.
Dumbass trying to pull the ‘no u’ childish shit for being lazy as fuck.
Republicans are fascists, Dems are just fascist lite.
I wish Fred Hampton would Jesus himself back and run for President
It’s what Biden primary voters voted for
Both. Both of these things can be true.
At least some democrats are changing their tune on Israel and these latest primaries are looking good. Hopefully they’ll win those protest voters back.
yawn
There never were that many if those. Harris was going to lose regardless, as was Biden. They should have held real primaries and not rig it for the democratic socialist candidates to lose.
Sorry but no. A candidate that loses by 1.5% is far from a candidate that was “going to lose regardless”.
People act like it was this huge strategic blunder but it’s easy to talk shit once the battle is lost. Democratic socialists were not particularly popular outside of your online social circle, maybe they’d have tanked even harder.
Now I understand, if you opted to sit this one out, that it feels better to tell yourself Harris was going to lose anyway. But in 2024 every vote counted and every non voter was a willing ally of the trump regime.
Run more neoliberal, zionist dems, it’ll only get worse
Yes, we know. That’s why we have primaries. Pay attention, Jesus Christ
You have those? Fooled me.
Also you do know how insane it is that your so called democracy relies on unregulated private groups doing a little pre election, right?
How many people voted for Harris in the primary?
“haha you guys are morons watch me punch myself in the dick again!”
“It’s your fault it hurts!”
For sure the cat is now out of the bag and they would be stupid to do the same thing in 2028. But in 2024 it was a coin toss, and there was no guarantee an actual leftist would fare any better. It’s hard to love Kamala but she still managed to move 48% of voters so it’s not like she got steamrolled.
Today things have changed and it’s easier to imagine a radical winning. A leftist populist that really feels like an anti system vote could probably get something done. And it could get pretty spicy as there are no more norms and the power of the US president has expanded considerably so that’s an interesting thought.
“The cat is now out of the bag” see that’s the problem right there. The US has had obviously bad politics for a really long time, and if you needed the last election to tell you that then it is you who are astronomically stupid and ignorant.
What moved 48% of voters was Trump being himself and voters voting against him instead of for Harris. I highly doubt a leftist candidate who was actually engaging and a true representative of the people would have had a hard time winning. Harris herself was doing pretty well at the start when she had a much more progressive message and then she blew it all up by fucking around with Liz Cheney and halting any of the shit that got her campaign going at the start.
Fuck off with the ad hominem I’m not even American. I just so happen to be someone who doesn’t share the strategic read of your social media bubble.
The American mind can’t even comprehend different takes without resorting to name calling. What a brain dead culture. Fuck all the way off.
I’m not from the US either, chief. Besides, where you’re from has no bearing on my comment.
And yet you talk vicious like they do, when someone doesn’t 100% align with their moronic takes. You didn’t even address 1% of my comment before resorting to insults. Fuck you and your kind.
We’re not all like this
Yeah I know. It’s just so generalized on us-dominated platforms. It’s frustrating.
You’re going around blaming people for fascism who have nothing to do with it.
They had nothing to do with it but if they had voted, the US and to some extent the world wouldn’t be in this mess. And they’re trying to blame Dem strategists for their own failure to do the easiest thing, which was to hold your nose and vote for a stinking liberal rather than let a literal fascist win.
Western electorates are so deep in the main character syndrome that when they fail they have to spin it as somebody else’s strategic error. Classic golden child bullshit.
It was a stupid thing to do after 2016 but you all charged right into it anyway.
It’s important to note that I am not American, nor am I a shitlib democrat.
I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades.
Also, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t blame people for not voting blue to stop fascism even if they don’t like the blue candidate, and at the same time say the votes are proof that the blue candidate was the right pick. If wasn’t and that’s why they lost. Don’t blame the voters there wasn’t more enthusiasm, maybe try to have an actual platform next time
I don’t disagree but was it that obvious to the average voter in 2024 after a year of full on pro-trump media blitz?
When a candidate loses by 20 points it’s easy to guess what their mistake was. When they lose by 1.5% I find out a whole less obvious. It’s all hypotheticals but really there was no guarantee a leftist candidate would have done better. Maybe yes, maybe no.
In France in 2022 we had a good example of a deeply unpopular status quo candidate winning over both the leftist and the fascist candidates. The fascist would have steamrolled the leftist in a heart beat if they had both gotten to the second turn.
Just because we have personal preference for leftist candidates doesn’t make them win elections.
The preference is for a candidate with an appealing platform. US politics often does not have that and is 100% relying on rejection of the other candidate. The American voting system sucks completely. The democratic party should hold true to their name and at the very least hold fair primaries before every election. And make the primaries fair so everyone votes at the same time, and losers can’t decide where their votes go and spoil other options.
I’m not disputing any of that. I would also prefer that. But it doesn’t mean it’s a dominant strategy, or that it would have worked in 2024. That’s all I’m saying.
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Get out of here with this tired stuff.
All of this (gestures broadly) is the direct and inevitable result of lesser-evilism. A few people not sitting out the last election may have delayed this timeline (though I’m doubtful there were even enough protest-non-voters to make any difference), but this has been building for a long time and Harris hadn’t talked about any plans to reverse that trend.
Immigrants and trans people are just collateral damage to you?
Our suffering is a necessary evil?
What if I don’t want to be a pawn in your fucking game? What if I just wanted to live a happy life?
Fuck me for wanting a normal life rather than being fodder for your battles?
Your assumption that we’d defeat this so called “inevitable threat” throws people like me into the fire, and you could be wrong.
What if you’re wrong?
What if NOT letting this happen was our last chance, and we will never be free the way we used to ever again now… because of people like you?
I think you misunderstood me. Voting for the “lesser evil” is a valid strategy if it comes up every once in a while and you can use it to avert disaster, but when every single election comes down to voting for the “lesser evil”, then you just end up on a steady march toward an evil outcome.
We’ve been on this path for decades, with today’s Democrats being far to the right of where Republicans were fifty years ago. Even if Harris wasn’t as bad as Trump (which she almost certainly wouldn’t be), she would help build the framework for the next Trump-like monster that followed her.
You don’t fix an evil system by voting for evil over and over again, evil if it’s the lesser evil. We need to stop seeing Democratic candidates like Harris and the like for any movement away from evil to happen.
And we need to stop electing fascists if we ever want a chance to “see” (read: vote for) such a candidate. It’s actually not about this abstract, undefined “greater evil vs lesser evil” bullshit, it’s about what the two viable candidates were actually likely to do once in power. Everyone knew Trump was a fascist who would try to literally end democracy, he’s done it before and it was essentially his entire platform. Yet here we are. Dems, as experience has taught us, were likely to piddle around for four to eight years and do some performative but ineffectual lip service to their base, while keeping what passes as democracy in place. Seems like a pretty easy choice to me. You can’t fix a system from within if the system has been burned to ground.
I totally agree. I think keeping the extreme evil of Trump out of power was worth voting for a controlled opposition establishment Democrat (and of course I voted for Harris and didn’t sit the election out).
A campaign based on lesser evil drives down voter turnout if it’s used every single election, which it has been for so long. The one reprieve we’ve had was Obama (the first time, when he still seemed progressive) running on a campaign of hope and change. Trump is the worst we’ve seen so far, but all of the Republican candidates back to at least Reagan were pretty awful people and the Democratic stance was mostly just pointing out how awful they are.
If we consistently don’t get opposition candidates with a positive message and plan for fixing things, we end up with low voter turnout and monsters like Trump in office.
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So the answer is yes.
Minorities are collateral damage to your moral crusade.
Maybe look in the mirror every so often before repeatedly spouting off about evil.
And don’t forget the thousands of brown people that have been murdered in their own countries as a result. Their sacrifice is apparently acceptable if it helps save glorious American politics.
You mean like the minorities that Kamala locked up in California . . . Or the ones being killed in Gaza?
I’m fine with the mirror with voting for De La Cruz. I don’t think you are.
Because as we can clearly see Trump did not in anyway act to increase the number incarcerated minorities or to speed up the genocide in Palestine
So your answer is to vote for lots of crimes against minorities, as long as someone else does more?
I like how by this statement you admit that there was a choice that was less crimes against minorities.
Neat how that option doesn’t matter to you
Whatever gets you through the night, buddy.
I think we can maybe build a better society by electing better representatives to office, but if you want to read that hope for a solution as some personal attack against “minorities” (which I’m apparently not anymore), then you’re just one less person trying to actually fix all this.
Maybe raging against strangers on the internet and turning people away from you will make things better. 🤷
I’m not your “buddy”. I’m a transgender woman.
Abstaining from voting is not “electing better representatives”, especially not when one guy is Donald John Trump.
I do have hope for a solution. I just don’t see how any good will come from treating the solution like a zero sum game where comprimiste is tantamount to defeat. Nothing good has ever come from that mentality.
Letting the pedophile dictator with a lifetime of ties to corrupt powerful men the world over, become leader of the most wealthy nation state the world has ever seen, with less guardrails and more radicalized sycophants and loyalists, with the hopes it will spark a revolution, that succeeds, and ends with a coalition of left leaning leadership, reforming our country à la Nordic democratic socialism…
… is inevitable?
…
Oh and also, I’m calm. Stop projecting your frustration onto me.
I think the issue is youre more upset at the people with little to no power not voting rather than our leaders over decades creating this outcome. People with power have created the country we live in today regardless if they were blue or red.
We had no choice in Kamala being the candidate, and she was an utter disaster. You should be more mad about a lack of a primary than non voters. Its the candidates responsibility to get people to vote for them and the outcome solely falls on their shoulders. No one but Kamala and the Democrat leaders are to blame for low voter turn out, if they wanted more votes they should have had more popular policies. Its obvious genocide isn’t popular yet they made the choice to support it, thats on them, not a nobody you couldn’t even name staying home because they didn’t like either option.
Your choosing to blame and fight with people similar to you with little to no power rather than blaming and fighting those with power who created the situation we are in. Your anger is misplaced and that’s an issue.
Accelerationists truly have no concept of what they clamor for.
You’re literally justifying Palestinians as collateral damage. You don’t have the moral high ground here. You’re perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of others.
Here. Take a look. I dare you. https://archivegenocide.com/
False equivalence. Palestine was fucked either way, and Harris winning was probably the better outcome of the two. No outcome was going to stop the genocide, so it’s not particularly relevant to the choice. Except that the outcome we got was almost certainly the worse one.
Trans people and immigrants did have outcomes that were radically different based on who won. The choice changed the outcome, so it was relevant
Uhhhh where did they do that?
So you’re an accelerationist and can be totally disregarded.
Pulling your head out of the sand doesn’t make you an accelerationist. Nobody with any sense wanted Trump, but thinking that a Harris win was going to set us on the right track is delusional.
Who said anything about righting the ship? You do that by primarying democrat incumbents with progressives and socialists in every primary, and then in the general you prevent republicans from winning by picking the democrat because third parties are not viable in virtually every district, hence the overwhelming majority of federally elected representatives being from one of the only two viable parties. But you have to stop the fucking republicans from getting elected first. Pay fucking attention.
You sound like you need to chill out a bit. We were talking about protest-non-voters in the last general election.
Oh ok you can just go ahead and fuck yourself.
Yeah, the people that got Trump elected. Pay fuckin attention. And fuck off with your both sides rhetoric, it’s accelerationist and elects republicans. Stop working for pedophiles.
Dude, your establishment Democrats are part of the pedophile cabal! The lesser evil is also evil and we need to stop supporting them and pretending we’re not part of the problem.
Congratulations, you put the greater evil in power. Enjoy your false sense of moral superiority while they’re killing people like me. You’re no better than a MAGAt.
Nope. Never gonna not call that out. You vote or you blindly accept the consequences; but we don’t need to accept or respect non-participation when their actions affect us.
Sounds like you want to blame, I am looking to inform protest-non-voters what they voted for.
75 million Americans did not vote for this. All the rest did.