For sure the cat is now out of the bag and they would be stupid to do the same thing in 2028. But in 2024 it was a coin toss, and there was no guarantee an actual leftist would fare any better. It’s hard to love Kamala but she still managed to move 48% of voters so it’s not like she got steamrolled.
Today things have changed and it’s easier to imagine a radical winning. A leftist populist that really feels like an anti system vote could probably get something done. And it could get pretty spicy as there are no more norms and the power of the US president has expanded considerably so that’s an interesting thought.
“The cat is now out of the bag” see that’s the problem right there. The US has had obviously bad politics for a really long time, and if you needed the last election to tell you that then it is you who are astronomically stupid and ignorant.
What moved 48% of voters was Trump being himself and voters voting against him instead of for Harris. I highly doubt a leftist candidate who was actually engaging and a true representative of the people would have had a hard time winning. Harris herself was doing pretty well at the start when she had a much more progressive message and then she blew it all up by fucking around with Liz Cheney and halting any of the shit that got her campaign going at the start.
And yet you talk vicious like they do, when someone doesn’t 100% align with their moronic takes. You didn’t even address 1% of my comment before resorting to insults. Fuck you and your kind.
Literally your entire comment is based entirely on screaming at me ynder the assumption that I was from the US. Now you’re big mad that you look like an idiot and taking it out on me because you’re so painfully insecure you nothing can ever be your fault. The only “insult” in my comment was that I called you “chief.”
No insult I can throw at you will ever be as impactful as what you seem to think about yourself, so I’ll let you do your thing.
They had nothing to do with it but if they had voted, the US and to some extent the world wouldn’t be in this mess. And they’re trying to blame Dem strategists for their own failure to do the easiest thing, which was to hold your nose and vote for a stinking liberal rather than let a literal fascist win.
Western electorates are so deep in the main character syndrome that when they fail they have to spin it as somebody else’s strategic error. Classic golden child bullshit.
I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades.
Also, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t blame people for not voting blue to stop fascism even if they don’t like the blue candidate, and at the same time say the votes are proof that the blue candidate was the right pick. If wasn’t and that’s why they lost. Don’t blame the voters there wasn’t more enthusiasm, maybe try to have an actual platform next time
I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades
I don’t disagree but was it that obvious to the average voter in 2024 after a year of full on pro-trump media blitz?
When a candidate loses by 20 points it’s easy to guess what their mistake was. When they lose by 1.5% I find out a whole less obvious. It’s all hypotheticals but really there was no guarantee a leftist candidate would have done better. Maybe yes, maybe no.
In France in 2022 we had a good example of a deeply unpopular status quo candidate winning over both the leftist and the fascist candidates. The fascist would have steamrolled the leftist in a heart beat if they had both gotten to the second turn.
Just because we have personal preference for leftist candidates doesn’t make them win elections.
The preference is for a candidate with an appealing platform. US politics often does not have that and is 100% relying on rejection of the other candidate. The American voting system sucks completely. The democratic party should hold true to their name and at the very least hold fair primaries before every election. And make the primaries fair so everyone votes at the same time, and losers can’t decide where their votes go and spoil other options.
I’m not disputing any of that. I would also prefer that. But it doesn’t mean it’s a dominant strategy, or that it would have worked in 2024. That’s all I’m saying.
For sure the cat is now out of the bag and they would be stupid to do the same thing in 2028. But in 2024 it was a coin toss, and there was no guarantee an actual leftist would fare any better. It’s hard to love Kamala but she still managed to move 48% of voters so it’s not like she got steamrolled.
Today things have changed and it’s easier to imagine a radical winning. A leftist populist that really feels like an anti system vote could probably get something done. And it could get pretty spicy as there are no more norms and the power of the US president has expanded considerably so that’s an interesting thought.
“The cat is now out of the bag” see that’s the problem right there. The US has had obviously bad politics for a really long time, and if you needed the last election to tell you that then it is you who are astronomically stupid and ignorant.
What moved 48% of voters was Trump being himself and voters voting against him instead of for Harris. I highly doubt a leftist candidate who was actually engaging and a true representative of the people would have had a hard time winning. Harris herself was doing pretty well at the start when she had a much more progressive message and then she blew it all up by fucking around with Liz Cheney and halting any of the shit that got her campaign going at the start.
Fuck off with the ad hominem I’m not even American. I just so happen to be someone who doesn’t share the strategic read of your social media bubble.
The American mind can’t even comprehend different takes without resorting to name calling. What a brain dead culture. Fuck all the way off.
I’m not from the US either, chief. Besides, where you’re from has no bearing on my comment.
And yet you talk vicious like they do, when someone doesn’t 100% align with their moronic takes. You didn’t even address 1% of my comment before resorting to insults. Fuck you and your kind.
Literally your entire comment is based entirely on screaming at me ynder the assumption that I was from the US. Now you’re big mad that you look like an idiot and taking it out on me because you’re so painfully insecure you nothing can ever be your fault. The only “insult” in my comment was that I called you “chief.”
No insult I can throw at you will ever be as impactful as what you seem to think about yourself, so I’ll let you do your thing.
We’re not all like this
Yeah I know. It’s just so generalized on us-dominated platforms. It’s frustrating.
You’re going around blaming people for fascism who have nothing to do with it.
They had nothing to do with it but if they had voted, the US and to some extent the world wouldn’t be in this mess. And they’re trying to blame Dem strategists for their own failure to do the easiest thing, which was to hold your nose and vote for a stinking liberal rather than let a literal fascist win.
Western electorates are so deep in the main character syndrome that when they fail they have to spin it as somebody else’s strategic error. Classic golden child bullshit.
Politicians blaming the voters, you mean
I mean, yeah, definitely also true. Kind of the pre-condition for this whole fiasco.
It was a stupid thing to do after 2016 but you all charged right into it anyway.
It’s important to note that I am not American, nor am I a shitlib democrat.
I don’t think it’s that different, actually. People have been dying for new policies that benefit real voters instead of corporate interests, but no luck. The democratic party establishment is in the way and has been for decades.
Also, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t blame people for not voting blue to stop fascism even if they don’t like the blue candidate, and at the same time say the votes are proof that the blue candidate was the right pick. If wasn’t and that’s why they lost. Don’t blame the voters there wasn’t more enthusiasm, maybe try to have an actual platform next time
I don’t disagree but was it that obvious to the average voter in 2024 after a year of full on pro-trump media blitz?
When a candidate loses by 20 points it’s easy to guess what their mistake was. When they lose by 1.5% I find out a whole less obvious. It’s all hypotheticals but really there was no guarantee a leftist candidate would have done better. Maybe yes, maybe no.
In France in 2022 we had a good example of a deeply unpopular status quo candidate winning over both the leftist and the fascist candidates. The fascist would have steamrolled the leftist in a heart beat if they had both gotten to the second turn.
Just because we have personal preference for leftist candidates doesn’t make them win elections.
The preference is for a candidate with an appealing platform. US politics often does not have that and is 100% relying on rejection of the other candidate. The American voting system sucks completely. The democratic party should hold true to their name and at the very least hold fair primaries before every election. And make the primaries fair so everyone votes at the same time, and losers can’t decide where their votes go and spoil other options.
I’m not disputing any of that. I would also prefer that. But it doesn’t mean it’s a dominant strategy, or that it would have worked in 2024. That’s all I’m saying.