It’s an earthquake to have Bernie Sanders’s candidate defeat Gretchen Whitmer’s candidate in Michigan. But the real goal is to keep Donald Trump’s candidate from winning this seat.
I didn’t quote anything specific other then my feels and obervations, if you tell me a source supports an alternate/correct assessment Im all ears/eyes.
No. You’re telling people their anecdotes aren’t good enough, but you’re here arguing your gut feelings are enough. The problem is you’re a hypocrite demanding a higher level of proof than you yourself are willing to provide.
The anointed one gleefully embracing the most lethal neo-conservative partnership in the world, that Harris?
You speak of facts, but conveniently leave out the fact that Trump walloped her so badly he won by a wider margin than there were self-identified protest vote progressives to begin with. It literally made no difference how they voted.
I hope she runs again in ‘28 and has to face an actual primary vote where she will once again receive single digit support. Who knows, maybe if she moves even further right she can pick up some more maga voters and break into the double digits lmao.
Sanders appeared to be referring to a YouGov survey that found that 24 percent of those who voted for Clinton during the 2008 primary backed McCain over Democratic nominee Obama in the general election.
Fully 12 percent of people who voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries voted for President Trump in the general election. That is according to the data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study
So I’m tracking HRC said Bernie (the progressive) didn’t bring his supporters around in '16 like she did for Obama in '08.
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It doesn’t surprise me they didn’t fall in line I didn’t at that time either.
I’m being argumentative here for a couple reasons, I just don’t think MI dems can push him over the line since he’s not doing all that well in the places he needs to do well like metro Detroit, so he needs places like Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids. Both of those cities will go his way but the counties those cities reside in might not which is a problem.
Second I enjoy trolling onlime progressives for their holier than thou because they seem to think that the party needs to adopt all of their views even if a generic democrat vote with the party a vast majority of the time.
We can argue that the votes they don’t follow party line are the important votes, my argument is they did nothing to try to earn that vote just expected it to happen.
In the end the party is endorsing his run so it seems there’s not too much to complain about.
second, fuck right off. you’re nothing but disingenuous snark and attacking the very people who overwhelmingly come out every time. the problem is NOT progressives.
I didn’t know they were progressive I thought they were liberal for some reason. Thanks for clearing it up. For what it’s worth, people tried to talk them out of it, tried hard.
As are progressives
No? Statistically progressives tend to vote blue no matter who more than centrists by a fair margin.
I’m interested in the source for that, the fact that we don’t have president Harris speaks against that.
Where’s your source that progressives stayed home more than centrists? You demand sources from others but provide none of your own.
I didn’t quote anything specific other then my feels and obervations, if you tell me a source supports an alternate/correct assessment Im all ears/eyes.
No. You’re telling people their anecdotes aren’t good enough, but you’re here arguing your gut feelings are enough. The problem is you’re a hypocrite demanding a higher level of proof than you yourself are willing to provide.
Typical .world lib
I’m arguing if I’m incorrect then prove it, I’ve stipulated that I’m not arguing facts if you have facts that prove me wrong I’m good with that
That isn’t how debate works, you chungus.
Then don’t site refer to specific sources if you’re unwilling to provide them.
it wasn’t progressives who stayed home dolt
So we have president Harris and not Trump?
FYI, Pew Research found that only 85% of Biden voters showed up in 2024. If all eligible voters had shown up, though, Harris would have lost with 45%.
Source?
The Pew Research Center.
ETA: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/behind-trumps-2024-victory-a-more-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-voter-coalition/
The anointed one gleefully embracing the most lethal neo-conservative partnership in the world, that Harris?
You speak of facts, but conveniently leave out the fact that Trump walloped her so badly he won by a wider margin than there were self-identified protest vote progressives to begin with. It literally made no difference how they voted.
I hope she runs again in ‘28 and has to face an actual primary vote where she will once again receive single digit support. Who knows, maybe if she moves even further right she can pick up some more maga voters and break into the double digits lmao.
The question is would she have been wolloped if the party was united behind her?
That question doesn’t make sense. You might as well be asking why Democrats didn’t rally behind Nikki Haley. Still, my answer remains the same:
It’s wrong to blame the voters for a garbage candidate. Please stop doing that, and demand better of our “representatives” instead.
that logic excuses voters for trump and i’m not ready to do that.
Vote blue no matter who, I would have voted Mallory, Haley, or Abdul. Now that things are decided I’ll vote Abdul like.most if not all Michigan dems.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/17/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-242819
https://www.wbur.org/npr/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds
So I’m tracking HRC said Bernie (the progressive) didn’t bring his supporters around in '16 like she did for Obama in '08.
The second link won’t load.
It doesn’t surprise me they didn’t fall in line I didn’t at that time either.
I’m being argumentative here for a couple reasons, I just don’t think MI dems can push him over the line since he’s not doing all that well in the places he needs to do well like metro Detroit, so he needs places like Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids. Both of those cities will go his way but the counties those cities reside in might not which is a problem.
Second I enjoy trolling onlime progressives for their holier than thou because they seem to think that the party needs to adopt all of their views even if a generic democrat vote with the party a vast majority of the time.
We can argue that the votes they don’t follow party line are the important votes, my argument is they did nothing to try to earn that vote just expected it to happen.
In the end the party is endorsing his run so it seems there’s not too much to complain about.
She didn’t bring her supporters around for '08. Remember PUMA’s? Pepperidge farms remembers.
A higher percentage of Bernie voters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton voters voted for Obama in 2008.
You’re literally just making shit up here completely to justify your position.
first off, on lime?
second, fuck right off. you’re nothing but disingenuous snark and attacking the very people who overwhelmingly come out every time. the problem is NOT progressives.
I enjoy mocking on lime chuds like you.
I voted for her, every progressive I know did too. Maybe you’re thinking of the protest votes against genocide? I’m not sure if they were progressive.
The protests (at least online) all came from progressives so I can only assume that the split democatic vote cost Kamala.
You know what they say about assuming…
nope. progressives aren’t radical leftists. the radical leftists who thought trump would be better for palestine did that.
I didn’t know they were progressive I thought they were liberal for some reason. Thanks for clearing it up. For what it’s worth, people tried to talk them out of it, tried hard.
lol get fucked. progressives show up while people like you stay home whining about progressives.
They don’t and thats the point
You demanded other people here cite a source, now it’s your fucking turn. Cite or GTFO.
Please show me.where I’ve sited a specific source
Get some fucking reading comprehension. What part of “cite or GTFO” did you not understand?
What part of I didn’t reference specific sources didn’t you fucking understand you fucking drooling dolt
No shit, Sherlock, that’s the goddamn problem! Read the fucking thread again because you literally failed to comprehend my comments!
You didn’t read my vote blue notatter who comment at the beginning of this thread, so read the thread/room