Why does anyone think there are still chances left?
edit: to clarify, I mean there are no more chances to “halt the erosion of US democracy”–it done eroded already. We’re starting over now. The only thing we don’t know yet is whether the coming elections will be free and fair. If they are, we can start rebuilding with a new movement to replace the old failed parties. If not, other steps will wind up being taken, one way or another.
The only thing we don’t know yet is whether the coming elections will be free and fair.
Um, i suppose hell coukd freeze over.
Edit: adding this link to post about Elon spending $120M in election bribes https://lemmy.world/post/50280608
Honestly this reply is a solid way to put it, there’s a lot that can’t be said until it’s time to talk about it. It does come down to November and if we have elections that are fair it should be a sweep. We’re seeing already in smaller red districts huge flips, so if its anything but a totally blow out something was going on. My guess is Dems stopped saying what they’re going to do so a plan can’t be made against it, everyone just locked in held their ground and shut up. Couple more months, america in the balance, somethings gonna happen either way. The most important midterms I’ve ever seen personally.
Fully believe Trump will send ice and militias out to attack polling stations or something like this.
I also think this. But I also thought the No Kings protesters were going to be masss murdered and the world cup teams were going to end up in detention camps, so hopefully things won’t be as bad as I think this time either
What if we just gave the Argentinian team to ICE.
You know you paused just now and considered it for a second.
But I also thought the No Kings protesters were going to be masss murdered
Well, given the tools the cops are given, there is still time, I suppose.
Voters do. Democrats don’t. This is a voter issue at this point and framing it like a political party is gonna come save you is why people are apathetic.
the democratic party will actively try to eff us over like they always do. We have to hold them accountable for their actions or we may as well just let AIPAC openly run the party.
They want what trump wants. Is that not obvious at this point? Americans are dumber than rocks.
We’re not all dumb, some of us are just full of hate, fears, and insecurities.
worthless fucking article
democrats are the FUCKING PROBLEM
citizens have to fix this
I admire your optimism.
Lets give the DNC football to Lucy. This is for the game, folks. It’s all up to Charlie Browns kick.
No. The last chance was 2024. They lost. That was the last fair election. There is no way that the fascists have come this far and gained total control only to give it up because of an election.
There’s one way to defeat them and everyone knows what it is
Bend over, drop trou, spread them cheeks, and shout, “you are defeated!”
This is how I see the author of this article tbh
Is that the flag of israel with a rainbow on both sides ? a muzzled teddy bear in China ? what is the cheeto ?
Basically this is a typical chudlib. They think they are actually on the right side of history, because they support “democracies” like Israel, and the only worthy cause they stand up for is the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. But when it comes to Palestinans, they’re quiet.
They claim to hate dictators and dictatorships, and believe that there is absolutely nothing wrong or immoral with NATO and the western world hegemony. That’s why they have a blinding hatred for China, and think it’s very brave of them to be anti China.
They think is just an oopsie by yanks, that it’s as easy as voting to get rid of him.
Basically a stupid chud that hasn’t spent a minute thinking critically about anything.
Haven’t you ever seen a wojak before? Lol
Alright ! I don’t know what wojak is, will look up. sounds like a canadian wild beast heheh
Gay Isreal flag = Hamas hates gays (but so does Isreal)
Cheetah = Trump
Teddy bear in China = Winnie the Pooh comparisons to Xi is banned in China
Indeed
What exactly have the Democrats done to inspire any confidence?
Not be nazis. The bar is tragically low
You may be forgetting that Biden sponsored the start of the genocide. Tens of thousand were murdered through his support. Its painful to hear and I’d love to just blame it on the republicans, but aipac utterly owns both parties and pretending that isnt so just keeps us trapped in this forever.
Yeah, I’m not defending the democrats. I’m just saying the reason they have support is they’re perceived as not as bad as the nazis and it’s really fucking tragic that America is at that point where all a party has to do to get support is be perceived as the only viable alternative to literal nazis.
Yeah but they’ve consistently supported Nazis abroad and done pretty much nothing to curb fascism at home. I guess they’re not technically Nazis but that’s like Nazi adjacent.
Like I said, it’s a tragically low bar. They’re seen as the only feasible alternative to the actual nazis
Nothing at all, but the progressives, the Democratic socialists, and the greens and everyone else who is fighting tooth and nail in the trenches against the far right extremists and chuds are giving it their all
And the Democrats are not going to let them win. At best they’ll Co opt the progressives until they’re ineffective, and at worst, they’ll extinguish the progressives’ flames.
I’m appalled at how people still think voting for the Dems is an option.
Start a third party.
Nah, let’s make sure the progressives and democratic socialists take over the Democratic Party
That’d be ideal tbh, I’m scared however that it might not work
That’s wrong, you need to coopt the dems until they are a progressive party. Same as how MAGA turned the reps into an absolutely insane party.
With the MAGA movement, you had massive capital backing the propaganda. And if im not mistaken, the OG Republicans didn’t really fight against Trump.
With progressives within the Democrat party structure, you’re fighting on multiple fronts – against the party itself along with anyone interested in maintaining the status quo.
MAGA didn’t go against the grain, they slid with the direction of the Overton window, albeit faster than what some were comfortable with. Going progressive is, well, the opposite of that.
And despite all of this, you somehow belief that starting a third party is a viable option?
take over them dems (long shot, been tried many many times) or start a new party. Lets try both. The republicans are a lost cause though, and we’re clearly short on time.
Yes, there’s a surprising amount of Rep voters who hates billionaires as much as the rest of us do, but Dems aren’t truly working for the people either.
There’s different ideologies among the parties, but both of them are anti peasants, pro elite.
Stuff like universal healthcare, free schools and proper psych wards are incredibly supported policies among voters of both parties. “European style” social welfare with a charismatic leader would get 60% of the votes in the US
Why do all of the posters making these “let’s start a third party” suggestion have accounts less than a month old?
(Admittably, I’ve only encountered 2 of you so far, but still, what are the odds?)
Maybe. A new, third party will at least not have the baggage from years of broken promises and empty lip service. Progressives have tried to work with the Dems since 2008 to no avail, so why still insist that this time will be any different?
Dems know the pickle Americans are in and have acted knowing that many will always give them their votes. Because what – will you vote R? No? Then shut up and accept whatever shit we give you.
Non voters are berated for not exercising their democratic right, but can you blame someone who’s lost hope of American politics? Obama’s campaign was such a breath of fresh air, the victory from which gave Dems power to enact some real change. All they did was to bail out banks and fuel the dumpster fire that was Trump’s election 2016. And during that election cycle, they forced a very unpopular candidate on their voters. When COVID saved them in 2020, they still gave Americans Joe Biden and continued down the same, rotten path.
Look at how they treated Zohran. I’m so glad he won because he shows that people want this kind of politics. If he was running for president, I think they would’ve tried their damnest to stop him.
So yeah, why should someone vote for them?
In my home country, the left party is sliding rightward, and this election I’m voting for a small party that actually stands for what I believe in. Some of my friends think I’m throwing my vote away, but my right to vote means my right to not be forced into making “mature” decisions about who I want to lead the country. That’s been done for some 40 years now and has never worked. Enough is enough!
You bring up Zohran Mamdani. You do realize he won by first running in the democratic primary, instead of running third party? That they did do their worst to stop him, and he still succeeded rather decisively? You do realize, that if Mamdani had run third party instead, New York would have a republican Mayor now?
something something vanguard
Aside from excellent trending in rights, the economy, safety, education, and jobs, compared to the only alternative, well, nothing at all.
Preselect a few socialists? (Not much)
Who most of them aren’t socialist in that they don’t do the basics of supporting workers control of the means of production?
I’ll take a bunch of somewhat-socialist representatives over no hardcore-socialist reps.
They say they feel bad after seeing a dude get beaten to death on the way back from work. Their opponent would laugh instead, or would be conducting the beating.
Democrats will likely win but then they’ll remember who holds their purse and the billionaire Epstein-class will tighten their grip on us plebs even more.
Only if people don’t vote in primaries…
That’s the part I never understand, all these fucking accounts saying it’s not worth fighting before the general, complete fucking silent during the last primary, and won’t dona damn thing before the next one in two years
If shits half as bad as you all say it is:
Go fucking volunteer with your state party and make it better.
Sitting online telling anyone with a D by their name is the same is the shit Republicans and Russians pay people money to do; don’t do it for free.
I’ve been voting in primaries since the year 2000. When will it start to work?
It’s starting to work now. DSA is winning primaries all over the place.
It took the French hundreds of years and multiple revolutions to overcome their nobility. 25 years is not that long in the wide view of things. Especially when you want to achieve change peacefully, which we should.
What a stupid world.
Always has been. Also the only one we get.
When there’s enough people doing similar.
It’s almost as if you don’t count at all unless you vote. Amazing really.
If there are that many unhappy people then a difference actually could be made. Assuming they do anything.
Oh so it’s never gonna work. Gotcha.
Part of the problem is the DNC rigging past primaries against exactly the sort of change people want. But this time will the DNC pinky swear to run a clean and fair primary?
This isn’t nationals. There’s too many races here (every House seat and 33 Senate seats) for them to fight every progressive candidate. That’s why you occasionally see them give up and endorse a few progressives here and there.
Also, most of their work is done in the primaries. They tend to just accept the D candidate once that is done and over with. That’s what happened with Mamdmi. Mostly because that’s honestly more important than the real election, and also because they kind of have to to keep the ruse up.
It really is mind-melting to see how liberals respond to the Clintons relative to Trump.
What, voting for them and then ragging on them non-stop for stupid shit like ending welfare and supporting Iraq II: Nookyoular Boogaloo?
You know he ran against Bush the I and Bob Dole, right. And she ran against the demented rapist crook.
Seems pretty straightforward really. Unless you meant the Australian Liberals, then, probably, yeah.
Yeah yeah, primaries, Bernie, DNC, i got ya. But look - on voting day a competent liberal is better than an incompetent rapist sycophant, n’est-ce pas?
You know he ran against Bush the I and Bob Dole, right.
Then worked hand-in-glove with Phil Graham and Larry Pressler to dismantle the US regulatory state, sure.
And she ran against the demented rapist crook.
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy
But look - on voting day a competent liberal is better than an incompetent rapist sycophant, n’est-ce pas?
First show me some of the former. A congo line of Andrew Cuomos and Gavin Newsoms and Gretchen Whitmires and Bob Menendezes and Michael Flynns have not been kind to the liberal party over the last generation.
How many Democrats spent a decade sucking up to Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg for a bucket of money, back in the Obama Era? How many worked hand-in-glove with Amazon and Boeing and Palantir, in the name of economic growth? How many sat on the board of Walmart and Goldman Sachs and Ford Motor Company, while pretending a liberal populism?
At some point, you have to take the blinders off.
Both Clintons were extremely competent and did good things.
Yeah Clinton was freaked out by Fox News’ takeover of the Chud-Americans and Congresses full of Klansmen and yes he got seekrit blowjobs and liiiiiiiieeeed about it which affected his plans but championships are a crapshoot, you get what you get.
Do we need to scrape up some “what good did clinton do” to make that case? I’m sure people who weren’t alive or whelped then may need some additional context in the lefty hole here.
I hate these accounts that pretend both parties are the same and strategically forget that when the republicans got power they stacked all the courts they could leading to this point.
If Clinton had won over Trump the world would be a better place just like if Harris had won over Trump too.
Democrats are complicit. They have no motivation for the bulk of the citizenry to win.
establishment Dems, sure. but there are insurgent leftists winning national primaries all over the country.
My only concern is the money musk is pushing for the right. Money equals votes and always has, the dnc refuses to help anyone not establishment. I hope the money won’t matter, but I think it will.
We’ve seen quite a few time that Musk has ended up spoiling votes. Because he did quite a good job tanking his own rep with the DOGE BS last yeast.
Money can’t trump voters when voters are paying attention.
Im hopeful but the show aint over til the lady sings in November and we have a fascist wannabe dictator in office who can convince people to be violent.
Many of these leftists are soc dems who just want nicer capitalism unfortunately
I mean I’ll take nicer capitalism over fascism
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yes, It cant possibly be the DNC centrists fault, who have been in charge forever. Its dem socialists who are to blame. Why did Omar and AOC do this to all of us?
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Don’t forget to vote BLUE no matter WHO! UNLESS the Blue PROMISES to make your Life BETTER then DONT VOTE AT ALL!
-Democrat Leadership!
Democrat Leadership? This sounds more like the lemmy mantra.
It would help if they publicly said they will remove him and his criminals from the government. I don’t wanna hear anything about it being a time for healing and reaching across the isle.
“Democrats have one chance” …so we’re fucked.
