In principle, if you have robots which can do all the work then the amount of stuff available becomes decoupled from the number of people to provide it.
The whole concept of there not being enough of something to go around goes away, because if you don’t have enough of something you tell the robots to build some more robots to make that thing.
This presumes much more capable robots than we’re able to make, of course, and also that there’s an unlimited amount of raw resource available. That could be the case if you’re able to send to robots to mine the asteroid belt, but it certainly isn’t the case now.
That isn’t actually infinite, of course, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to describe the economic equivalent of “all you can eat” as “quasi-infinite”, if you’re feeling grandiose.
It’s also not going to happen in the immediate future, because the technology simply isn’t there yet, but people who have drunk the AI kool-aid seriously believe it.
then the amount of stuff available becomes decoupled from the number of people to provide it.
That has nothing to do with AI, we already have autonomous manufacturing. So “stuff” is already decoupled from the amount of people available in many cases. And it still doesn’t create infinite resources.
I think your parent comment was referring to what Space Karen was saying and not just the most utopian future vision.
First, you need robots and AI advanced, general purpose and reliable enough to a point where we are not even close to imagine. Contrary to what Space Karen suggests, which is always 3 years away.
Second, we still have the HUGE problem of raw materials and energy limitations, which is another huge problem we’ve been trying to solve for the whole history of humanity, a couple of meme generating LLMs will not help with that.
Third, you really need a 180 in economy global system in order to avoid any of the distopian alternatives: either the rich enslaving all the poor, the poor killing all the rich, or any combination. I don’t believe for a fraction of a second that Space Karen is thinking on any utopian future in which he is not the most rich person, and his argument is that money doesn’t mean anything with robotics.
So, lets first focus on the global transformation of people having their needs fulfilled first and then we can think on a future that is, at very best, decades away anyway (the jumps AI, robotics and energy production have to make in a fundamental level are crazy to think will happen in the next 10-20 years)
So, as a thought experiment? sure, but you and me will be dead before that can be achieved. as any argument to make any of the Space Karen companies seem valuable or worthy of any tax advantage? Fuck nope
We’re really not that far. We could honestly just do more of what we’ve been doing to get there with robotics, 5 more years of this even with the worst version is probably enough to get chore robots done.
Second, we still have the HUGE problem of raw materials and energy limitations
Human need is finite, we have already mined up enough stuff for all humans, and humans don’t reproduce at the replacement rate in fully developed nations. Robots that can manufacture solar panels fully autonomously is all it takes to fix energy limitations, and recyclings only problem is that it’s more economical to mine new things.
Third, you really need a 180 in economy global system in order to avoid any of the distopian alternatives: either the rich enslaving all the poor, the poor killing all the rich, or any combination.
Why bother in a world of complete abundance? The only real example of completely senseless violence in humans is religious, outside of this it is all resource based.
I don’t think that’s nonsense.
In principle, if you have robots which can do all the work then the amount of stuff available becomes decoupled from the number of people to provide it.
The whole concept of there not being enough of something to go around goes away, because if you don’t have enough of something you tell the robots to build some more robots to make that thing.
This presumes much more capable robots than we’re able to make, of course, and also that there’s an unlimited amount of raw resource available. That could be the case if you’re able to send to robots to mine the asteroid belt, but it certainly isn’t the case now.
That isn’t actually infinite, of course, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to describe the economic equivalent of “all you can eat” as “quasi-infinite”, if you’re feeling grandiose.
It’s also not going to happen in the immediate future, because the technology simply isn’t there yet, but people who have drunk the AI kool-aid seriously believe it.
That has nothing to do with AI, we already have autonomous manufacturing. So “stuff” is already decoupled from the amount of people available in many cases. And it still doesn’t create infinite resources.
I think your parent comment was referring to what Space Karen was saying and not just the most utopian future vision.
First, you need robots and AI advanced, general purpose and reliable enough to a point where we are not even close to imagine. Contrary to what Space Karen suggests, which is always 3 years away.
Second, we still have the HUGE problem of raw materials and energy limitations, which is another huge problem we’ve been trying to solve for the whole history of humanity, a couple of meme generating LLMs will not help with that.
Third, you really need a 180 in economy global system in order to avoid any of the distopian alternatives: either the rich enslaving all the poor, the poor killing all the rich, or any combination. I don’t believe for a fraction of a second that Space Karen is thinking on any utopian future in which he is not the most rich person, and his argument is that money doesn’t mean anything with robotics.
So, lets first focus on the global transformation of people having their needs fulfilled first and then we can think on a future that is, at very best, decades away anyway (the jumps AI, robotics and energy production have to make in a fundamental level are crazy to think will happen in the next 10-20 years)
So, as a thought experiment? sure, but you and me will be dead before that can be achieved. as any argument to make any of the Space Karen companies seem valuable or worthy of any tax advantage? Fuck nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S67z2aekBrI
We’re really not that far. We could honestly just do more of what we’ve been doing to get there with robotics, 5 more years of this even with the worst version is probably enough to get chore robots done.
Human need is finite, we have already mined up enough stuff for all humans, and humans don’t reproduce at the replacement rate in fully developed nations. Robots that can manufacture solar panels fully autonomously is all it takes to fix energy limitations, and recyclings only problem is that it’s more economical to mine new things.
Why bother in a world of complete abundance? The only real example of completely senseless violence in humans is religious, outside of this it is all resource based.