As I understand his argument, it goes like: the 2020 Trump administration so badly bungled national security that foreign agents corrupted the election. The 2024 Biden administration fixed things enough to produce a fair election. Now that Trump is back in charge, he, himself, is saying that the 2026 election is going to be just as corrupt as the last time he was in charge.
Seems highly out of character to admit that he’s incompetent., but whatever
The 2024 Biden administration fixed things enough to produce a fair election.
AIPAC laughing its ass off
You do realize the statement is from Trump’s point of view?
Clearly it was all the fault of Obamna.
He did no such thing. He just did what he’s been doing for the last 10 years and continued making more claims with no evidence.
Elections remain firmly in the control of states, for now. For exactly this reason.
Not true… There is evidence…He released documents that directly show Russian interference in the election on his behalf, and them being the source of the fake Biden/Burisma stuff.
So, just not evidence of what he claimed.
Counterpoint: China helped elect Trump
In what way?
Propaganda, same as the CIA and the US does it. Either both are correct or both are wrong. And it wasn’t just China either.
Thanks. I knew about the Russian stuff but this is the first I’ve heard about Chinese actions in this vein.
Heh yeah I was going to say. I’ve seen you around posting enough that I certainly didn’t think you were a campist.
I try my best not to be, but living in the west I will acknowledge the possibility that I have some bias towards my own culture.
But I am openly biased against governments because fuck the state.
You and me both. 🤜🤛
Yep we should always be able to question what we know. Otherwise how do we know that we really know it. And yeah, I can’t think of a good state. There are some that are less damaging but that has more to do with external factors than the state itself.
Exactly. Blind faith just makes you a sucker.
Propaganda
Systematic partisan content skews in TikTok during the 2024 US elections
We doing the “Singapore company heavily invested in by US Tech Billionaires is Chinese State Propaganda”? Is this like how Facebook is controlled by Russia? Or FOX News is the black hand of the insidious Australians? Is Twitter a cut-out for the ANC of South Africa?
How many American billionaires are going to do American propaganda on American media platforms before Americans realize that the ones pushing an American politician born in America and heavily influential in both American political parties are American?
And it wasn’t just China either.
You know someone’s just dishing xenophobic agitprop when they fish out a fist full of “Evil Foreigners Are Controlling The Media” but refuse to mention India, Qatar, the UK, or Israel.
But it still rankles that every single major media studio has a HQ in NY, Chicago, or LA, and y’all never stop to think “Fuck, maybe that’s where the propaganda is coming from.”
You know someone’s just dishing xenophobic agitprop…
Why do all these assclown China-defenders post the same way?
you just know eh?
Found the campist. 🤡
Just because byte dance who still owned Tick Tock in 2020 pushed us servers off to singapore. Doesn’t mean that byte dance and by extension the Chinese government no longer had control. Tick Tock has always been right wing owned. Bite dance has always been a capitalist company. The current CCP is state capitalist. But the major shift to American capitalist ownership didn’t even have until 2026. Long after they had helped elect Trump again. And things have arguably only gotten worse.
And what are you? Bibi netanyahu’s brother? Yes I am exactly as racist against China for being against their government, as people who are against the government of Israel are anti-semitic. Which is to say I’m not. I’m also against the government of the United States Canada UK etc etc etc generally. But damn you’re disappointing. You had a perfect chance to use your camps buzzword and you missed it. I was waiting for you to call me sinophobic. Which I mean was basically what you did. But even as a 🤡 you did it in the most impotent and baseless way.
O don’t know where the hate for China comes from. Oh their spying on you. Oh their cars could spy on you. So no different then every American company. But i guess american spying good Chinese bad. I which both these fucking countries would just implode. It would be hard since UA minor countries would have to actually start doing shit ourselves but with it.
First of all, nobody here ever said the USA was great.
China is an authoritarian state which bans the mere sharing of information as a criminal offense. They have successfully committed multiple genocides. They promote war abroad by backing similar regimes in North Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran, often funneling weapons in during the process. They singlehandedly kept the Russian invasion of Ukraine afloat. They have conquered Tibet and Hong Kong with millitant force and are preparing to conquer Taiwan and part of India. They used the IRGC to attack a music festival in Israel and jumpstart the most recent round of war across the entire middle east. They now have military footholds across Africa recently. They promoted Donald Trump and the GOP as well as alt-right leaders in Germany and other EU provinces. Even their trade practices are scummy by utilizing largescale slave labor and subsidies to undercut all competition and doing currency manipulation to make countries under hard times have even harder times as their economic recovery is seen as strengthening their enemies: everyone not subservient is their enemy.
So fuck China. China is the largest threat to human life on earth. China must be destroyed before they destroy us all.
I just hate the state myself. I’ve worked with Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, Philippino and even know a tiny tiny useless bit of Mandarin. They’re just people like everyone else. Just as the state is always the state, and not your friend. Doesn’t matter where they come from.
There absolutely should be none of these unwieldy unmanageable entities state or business wise. Just self governing communities allying with other communities for mutual benefit and aid. Not holding eachother back. Tribalism/campism is always the stumbling block.
byte dance who still owned Tick Tock in 2020
And who owns ByteDance?
Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, SoftBank
:-/
Yes I am exactly as racist against China
At least we’re getting to the nut of it.
Fucking wild to tune into MSNBC and get the latest “China Invasion Of American Media” scare story, then spin around and call someone else a campist, though.
🤡
Chinese companies like byte dance still answer to the Chinese government. Who is notoriously controlling. It doesn’t matter who the major investors are. All the investors care is if they are making money and if they stand to make more.
You cannot celebrate China as a country that regularly puts people in Chinese companies to death for what it’s deems corruption. And not simultaneously claim that such companies are free to operate however they want independently.
And if you’re going to keep being bad faith and using baseless arguments. Which you are. Again use the right terms. I don’t even watch it, but even I know it’s MSNow not MSNBC.
Chinese companies like byte dance still answer to the Chinese government.
Bytedance isn’t a Chinese company. It’s a multinational - just like so many of the other social media companies - with corporate oversight coming from the same Silicon Valley cartel that backed Trump on every other platform.
And if you’re going to keep being bad faith
Why is it so hard for you to accept that Americans did this to themselves?
Why do you need to make this an Evil Foreigner problem that can be used as a rationale for war?
Beijing operated psyop TikTok favored Republicans and even promoted Trump by name, leading to the largest ever shift rightwards to conservative among youth voters ever recorded in the USA.
He invented a threat to which the only solution is giving him more power.
You don’t have to even look at the details.
Pretty sure China wouldn’t mind an utter imbecile as US president every single time.
I have some news about your past presidents…
You mean President Petar Stoyanov, from 1997-2002?!
Do tell me about my past presidents, dumbass.
Sorry for assuming, prick.
That is a careful what you wish for.
Not so smart as to challenge competitively, but not so dumb as to think they can go bombing whoever they feel like to get their way.
I’m not wishing anything, just stating the obvious. And if anything, Trump has made it much much more likely that other countries will use force to fulfill their perceived interests. You’d have to be asleep not to realize it.
Perhaps I should have put it in quotes, “careful what you wish for” intended as the expression and “you” being China.
An imbecile is desirable in some ways to have the USA act against it’s own best interests making competitive interests easier, however when the imbecile goes and bombs Iran, that is a problem. And who knows what bone head move to screw things up for everyone comes next.
In some ways an imbecile is harder to predict and negotiate with.
As an American, I can’t say that I ever felt threatened by China. But by American Confederates? Definitely.
The intelligent American, checking in. Thanks man. Tell your friends.
Trump just did more damage to American elections than he did damage to Iran.
Yes that was the goal. And if he doesn’t get that bill passed (and frankly even it goes through) then Americans will be saying hello to his private army dragging people off at the polls. This has been predicted since day 1. The only thing this speech did was start getting his troops in motion. Everyone knows there was no proof of anything except the opposite of what he said in those documents, but that wasn’t the point because his cultists don’t read.
Good thing this is paywalled.
Guess the end of democracy isn’t enough of a crisis for a f*ing newspaper to let people find out about it without a subscription fee.
America may be dying but at least it’s dying doing what it loves - playing chicken with disaster for a quick buck while pretending nobody has any responsibility to anybody else.
Do you expect these journalists to work for free? Sure they could make the site ad supported but then you have to deal with that.
Edit: since you didn’t respond to me and just downvoted, I’ll take your answer as “yes”.
If you read the documents, China did not interfere at all. They wanted Trump to be president and the American people did this all by themselves.
Voters doing absolutely nothing to stop a self serving grifter rapist insurrectionist with a stated intention to do, and past record of doing just that, kinda does that.
But try telling the sitouts that.
Was he trying to damage China?
Just making up shit so he can reject the results when he gets pantsed
You called?
It was a call to action. Unlike US politics, we’re expecting to actually see results. Get to it!
Both
Pantsed where? He can’t run again he’s not gonna be on the ballot in 2028
A felon with dozens of convictions is running the place, and has already successfully taken many actions that should be illegal for the president to do. I somehow doubt they’ll suddenly start caring about the rules now.
And who’s going to hold him to that? It won’t even be the first unconstitutional thing he’s done today.
That’s what you think. The constitution doesn’t matter anymore. He never stopped campaigning after the last election.
He has done all sorts of shit that he’s not supposed to be able to do. He’s literally a convicted felon FFS. He “can’t” redact or classify Epstein docs either but somehow he manages.
Well yeah, because China didn’t damage them at all.
Trump just did more damage to American elections than Monaco.
The CCP and PLA knew MAGA would weaken the USA and that is what they want. There are enough dumbfuck voters in the USA that will continue to guzzle down the shit from Moscow and Beijing.
America does American thing Americanly:
IT WAS THOSE GOD DAMN FOREIGNERS!!
Ah, so we’re into the paranoid delusional phase of the dementia onset now. What fun!
