Under the proposal, anyone who publicly or at a gathering denies the right of the State of Israel to exist, or calls for its elimination, would face punishment.
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German parliament advances bill to criminalize denial of Israel’s right to exist
You really butchered that headline.
“German parliament advances bill to criminalize denial of Israel’s right to exist”
the article also says
And while I’m not happy about anything that makes them happy, I suppose that is an acceptable law. I don’t think hate speech is tolerable and I don’t think Genocide is any solution in response to Genocide because it involves innocents getting caught up in it.
One can recognize Israel’s “right to exist” and still be genocidal towards Israeli Jews (e.g., “it has the right to exist as a Gaza-sized enclave in the area of present day Tel-Aviv, subjected to the same conditions currently applied by Israel to Gaza”).
One can refuse Israel’s “right to exist” and champion the rights of Israeli Jews to live in security as citizens with full political and legal equality in a post-apartheid democratic, non-sectarian, and non-ethno-supremacist, secular state of Palestine.
“Israel’s right to exist” is not any kind of guarantee against genocide. It is merely a political technology aimed to paint decolonial perspectives as “antisemitic”.
What?? How does that change the fact that the headline was butchered?
Also it doesn’t really make sense.
I was responding to this bit only:
My argument is that “denial of Israel’s right to exist” does not equate “genocide”.
OK, I got it all wrong, sorry.
Don’t pretend Israel has any intention of keeping Gaza intact. That’s bullshit. Palestine has been shrinking for decades, and Israel explicitly supported the new US Admin whose stance is “death or exodus”. They don’t believe in Palestine’s right to exist, they want to eradicate them.
There is even leaked intel that the Israeli admin knew the music festival attack was coming and did nothing to stop it.
Nothing I wrote supports the assertion that “israel has any intention of keeping Gaza intact”.
The conditions applied to Gaza by Isreal do NOT respect its right to exist.
I specifically brought up this fictional horror scenario as an example of genocidal thinking, with the intent precisely to distinguish between the fictional “right to exist” of a state and the very real “right to exist” of a people.
Interestingly enough, it was argued many times over by Plato in his writings that the purpose of having a family, getting married, etc. is the value it would bring to the State.
Plato was writing about the Polis. That is a much different polity and a much different socio-cultural milieu that any kind of mass modern nation-state.
I don’t think it would hold up in German Court, but hey maybe we’ll see.
Paradox of tolerance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
I believe in this but I believe it is applied at an individual scale. Try each and every Israeli soldier for their crimes, fine by me, but the innocents will walk free.
No mot at all, it’s one of the best arguments to not allow discrimination, and fascism, and many other greater scales of intolerance.
It can be applied to Israel in the exact same way it can to for instance Nazism.
Tolerating Israel is tolerating intolerance. And Israel has developed in such a way, it can be argued the country exist only to commit genocide against their neighbors.
It is absolutely intolerable that Germany now protect Israel so they can do the same that the Nazis did against the Jews, they are attempting to right a wrong, by aiding Israel in doing the exact same wrong once again. It’s disgusting, and it’s disgusting to see people arguing that we cannot even talk about stopping it!
Shame on you!
Sounds like you don’t believe in fair trials so I guess I’d be fine with you not getting one.