Hi all, a couple of years back I moved to Proton on a 2 year plan. Then the CEO started spouting Trump stuff. I cancelled at the time but the subscription is only now up for renewal.

I have moved everything across to Tuta recently, but I don’t like it, so I’m looking for further suggestions.

Why didn’t Tuta work for me?

  • No function to auto-forward emails to another email address.
  • No bridge or IMAP so I can’t connect to Paperless
  • Mobile app is janky - when I swipe to archive, it sort of sits there for a while as it talks to the server. And just generally it feels slow like it’s waiting for the server for every action instead of backgrounding the requests.
  • Web app is weird. It doesn’t even have an archive button, I have to use “Move -> Archive” making it slow to go through my inbox.
  • Importing emails is only available on their most expensive plan. Weird to not want people to move to your platform? (it also couldn’t handle 15000 emails, I had to load them 1000 at a time)

Things I want:

  • Must support custom domain
  • Must support catchall
  • Must support forwarding an email to another email address based on the “to” address
  • Must not be run by dicks (e.g. Trump supporting CEO or Proton, union busting like Fastmail, and no big tech) - as close as possible at least
  • Should have some method to connect to my self-hosted Paperless NGX (e.g. Proton’s bridge, or just IMAP)
  • Should have emails encrypted from provider if possible - not sure if anyone other than Proton or Tuta do this.
  • Should support GPG
  • Should allow importing email history from previous provider
  • Should have a nice web/mobile app or allow IMAP. Bonus points if I don’t have to use the Play store.

Honestly I’d put up with the janky app if Tuta had the functions I want, I mostly just want my money going to some provider that aren’t dicks, but having the provider not be able to read my emails would be a bonus.

Anyone got suggestions for me?

  • DaGammla@lemmy.mlEnglish
    73·
    12 hours ago

    Bad arguments. I also won’t buy a Tesla just because good people work there.
    I think you have fallen to the sunk cost fallacy as in you have recommended it to so many people that now you can’t move away.
    If the product isn’t any good, the money is flowing to a dickhead and people are let go anyway (if they don’t replace themselves with AI), then there is no valid reason to keep paying for this product.
    Also it’s a swiss company, which is problematic for so many reasons.

    • unitedwithme@lemmy.todayEnglish
      2·
      10 hours ago

      Also it’s a swiss company, which is problematic for so many reasons.

      What?! Why would this be a big problem??

      Also, while I like getting into self-hosting and have several services running at home, I can’t quite justify (yet) switching away. These programs just work, and work well. Email would be the hardest thing too replace since I have custom domains, plus numerous aliases setup. That’s sometimes hard to supplement with another service and keep encryption.

      Yes, people might get let go, I understand that. It is unfortunate. I’m hoping this is a wakeup call to leadership. Good point on the Tesla thing. The difference is I don’t care for Tesla, Elon, etc. I also don’t recommend them. But everyone is aware of how bad Elon is, Yen is nothing in comparison.

      And, are we just supposed to jump ship for a product anytime someone from a company seems to offend someone else? I’m generalizing here, but, honestly idgaf if he’s a Trump supporter. I’m also not going to whine about someone’s views and upset my own life style because if what they say. People are allowed to have their own political views and opinions, as long as they don’t pour over into the products or jeopardize them in any way. Tesla, in that sense, is that extreme. $700m in donations to the Republican party to try and alter outcomes… Yen is a saint by comparison.

      Now, the use odd AI to enshittify, if QC starts plummeting, like Windows has, or values change, or data is collected and sold, etc, that’s a different story. They’re a for-profit company but owned by a majority shareholder which is the non-profit so they keep to their values, and governed by Swiss law is far better than anything US-based!

      My arguments still stand.