Democrat’s move prevents these people from executions under future governors, after Christa Pike’s failed execution
Gavin Newsom, California’s governor, has commuted the death sentences of more than 500 people on the state’s death row on Thursday, a move that ensures they can never be executed under future administrations.
The Democrat’s mass commutation at the end of his term has converted all of the state’s death sentences to life without the possibility of parole, the largest clearing of any US death row in modern history.
The move comes after the failed execution of Christa Pike in Tennessee sparked global outrage and renewed calls for a nationwide pause on capital punishment.
Broken clock something something.
distraction from him trying to veto any recent bills, and being against the billionaire tax. hes aiming for 2028 presidency.
If he runs that’s how we get another Republican
This appears to a pretty rare case of Newsome doing something he sincerly believes in. His advisors were telling him not to do this because it polled poorly among general election voters in the US. This is also something that he has fairly consistantly done. After a ballot initiative passed to speed up executions and the court challenges expired he issued a morratorium on executions and took the state execution chamber apart.
Between this and Vance distancing himself from Trump, I guess posturing for the 2028 presidential election is now in full swing.
Nearly any other Democrat would be better than Newsom.
[… any other Democrat would be better than Newsom].
Message received. Get ready for Schumer 2028!
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Wow, that’s cursed.
Even Harris would probably be better than Newsom, and nearly any other Democrat would also be better than Harris.
Newsom would get a fuck load of votes from the center and disaffected Republicans though.
Broken clock something something
Is desperate to stay relevant with sand shifting under their feet?
“is right twice a day” is the next part
Wrong!
Get that unholy abomination out of here!
You probably mean the 00 that should be a 24 to keep with the tradiiton? 😆
That one is still right once a day
You sure? I live here and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t get shit right that often.
It wasn’t meant literal, jeez!!
And, with this announcement, Newsome 2028 has begun. 😅
But, props where props are due. Death penalty gets handed out far too often and far too disproportionately, within a legal system that gets stuff wrong far too often.
He nuked the billionaire tax…
Oh, I’m not his fan girl. Just giving a nod for when someone does the right thing.
Apologies, I wasn’t suggesting you were. Just noting it’s a convenient distraction.
Ah, true. That’s very fair.
He already put a moratorium on the death penalty in CA back in 2019. Its literally nothing other than posturing. Its about the most Gavin shit he could pull right now.
I’m onboard with this. I’m not necessarily opposed to the death penalty, but our society has demonstrated again and again we are not applying this, the ultimate punishment, equally to everyone across our society. There are large class and race issues that appear to subject some groups to much greater death penalty judgments than other groups.
Unequal justice is injustice. Ban the death penalty.
I’m not necessarily opposed to the death penalty
Everyone should be, for a very simple reason.
It is permanent, there is no way to recover from it once completed.
So I’m still for the death penalty on principle. In a perfect world…
Yet I need to compromise as having no death penalty is to prefered over the possibilty of having people wrongly executed.
I find it interesting that I start with my post about saying I support the banning the death penalty, and I close with the post with my support for banning the death penalty. Yet multiple people are clipping out both of those agreements to focus on the an intermediate disagreement.
We arrive at the same conclusion to ban the death penalty, but you don’t like the first reason why I want it banned. Why fight a battle that is already won?
I’ll try to say something a little more precise, I hope. I have limited sympthy for the individual fate of somebody who does some of the things that can get a person executed, but the death penalty itself is not a good thing.
I just don’t see the value in revenge, and as much as we all feel for victims, the reason you have society make these decisions is because you know victims and their families can’t be objective. Maybe some of them will even really feel better, but the rest of us won’t. The death penalty can only go wrong, either by being inequitably applied or literally dooming the wrong person to die with no way to salvage what’s left of their lives if you learn of the mistake later. Or hell, with recent attempts, it can just literally go wrong and torture someone, maybe even without even killing them.
Permanent removal from free society is more than sufficient for public safety and deterrence. More blood doesn’t bring anyone’s loved ones back; it just makes a community that much more grim for indulging its worst instincts.
I’m not going to argue with you on the why to ban the death penalty. We both agree it should be banned. Honestly the reasons we arrive at the same answer are immaterial.
If you are not opposed to the death penalty you are not civilized, and you are OK with principles that are contrary to democracy.
If you are not opposed to the death penalty
Did you miss the part where I said “ban the death penalty”?
You wrote:
I’m not necessarily opposed to the death penalty
Didn’t read beyond that, because saying that, it’s unlikely you have anything valuable to say.
Didn’t read beyond that, it’s unlikely you have anything valuable to say.
Wow. Its not often someone tells on themselves so clearly, but I appreciate that you did. I know exactly how much concern to give your posts now and in the future!
the largest death row in the western hemisphere
Shame on you California and USA, California is often promoted as more progressive than most of USA. But this is barbaric medieval practice and is against democratic principles. This point alone would make USA or California alone far away from being eligible for EU membership.
USA is not a civilized society, it’s a barbaric society of violence and extremism.FWIW, they haven’t actually executed anyone there in twenty years, and Newsom issued a moratorium when he took office in 2019. In typical Newsom fashion, he’s playing it for maximal media attention, but this is not some huge change for California.
As for the rest of the US, feel free to pile it on. Capital punishment erodes the soul of a nation, and the more you use it, the worse the corrosion.
Minnesota abolished the death penalty in 1911, literally over 100 years ago. California does not get a pass in my book.
FWIW, they haven’t actually executed anyone there in twenty years,
I know, but it’s still torture to be on death row, and practices can change, as long as the death penalty is used in courts, there’s a risk you may actually at some point get executed.
It’s not only the act itself that is barbaric.I 100% agree with your last part, we have a saying here, “vold avler vold” which translates to violence breeds violence.
The more violence you allow the public to use against citizens, the more violence there will be in that society.
And USA is an extreme case in that regard, and has way more violence than countries USA is normally compared with.
Death penalty, three strikes, police violence, and lack of gun control are all huge parts of this.
It might be the largest because of how long and thorough the process is or even it could just be not advertising carried out. I’m positive Texas and Florida have much smaller death rows because they whip through them.
There is no process, when you are on Death row, it’s because a court has given you the death penalty. It’s just not executed.
Being on Death Row is torture!!Why are you making excuses for the death penalty??
That’s just not true. Receiving a death sentence triggers an automatic appeals process because of how often things are gotten wrong. The state can absolutely tie that up. There is also just all the logistics involved that they can also tie up.
I’m absolutely not defending the death penalty. I’m very much against the death penalty. I’m explaining why having a large backlog could be precisely because California is more progressive and deliberately slows things down unlike some other states. Just a hypothetical this could be the reason. California was one of the first states to pass a “three strikes law”, which is another awful sentencing scheme.
That’s just not true. Receiving a death sentence triggers an automatic appeals process because of how often things are gotten wrong.
OK that’s true, but not many get off, so that can never explain why California has the longest death row.
I’m absolutely not defending the death penalty. I’m very much against the death penalty.
On that we agree then.
I’m explaining why having a large backlog could be precisely because California is more progressive
I don’t consider California as progressive in this regard, they may be slightly less extreme that’s all. Sitting on death row is torture, and you could get executed if the next governor is an ass. Also having the death penalty without executing is very likely to make court less uncomfortable giving a death sentence. Meaning California could have a higher rate of verdicts that include the death penalty.
So I reiterate, that even without executing people, the death penalty is against both human rights and democratic principles.
They were not even remotely doing that.
They literally were, and it’s in the article. You are not on death row without having received the death penalty.
Nothing to do with what they said. They were talking about California’s being the largest and why. They didn’t defend the death penalty whatsoever. And they never even remotely implied you could be on death row without getting the death penalty.
Where do I claim any of that?
The two comments I replied to? Right above this? Do you not recall? Are you feeling okay?
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So transparent
