I’ve noticed that there seems to be an emphasis on being extremely serious at all times, as if every single comment is a PhD dissertation being evaluated or something. There’s like this weird, subtle one upmanship about every little thing and a lot of people are very nitpicky and judgmental. It kind of takes the fun out of being on here, TBH. Or am I the only one experiencing this?
oh yeah. just got through one of these. I am expected to obtain solid studies if i so much as go against the flow of popular opinions of which have had never had to be up against any scrutiny what so ever.
eg: vegans speaking on consciousness and how they believe it exists in the brain.
they speak about consiousness and it’s location like it has all been proven. They provide no papers. no proof. just how they feel about consciousness when talking about it.
And there is none. any papers that that exist today are all based in theory around the existance of consciousness and ideas of what consciousness means. no hard facts.
but if you question a vegan on their feefees about consiousness they ask you for the science studies and facts and freely call you insane for daring to question them.
Apparently you’re not supposed to consume anything with a brain that would support thought and a nervous system according to their ideas of consciousness. So it appears sea cucumbers, star fish and jelly fish are vegan food according to their beliefs of consciousness.
of course they loose their shit if you challenge it to any depth like this.
dont get me wrong: im all for the plant based diet as its better for the body and planet. i just think the reasonings around using the consiousness argument is very weak. if they can say consiousness exists with animals: i can say consiousness exists in plants too.
The other extreme where only humans are off limits doesn’t really make sense either, though. Forget about “pigs are fine, but not dogs and cats”.
There’s a lot of open ground for inquiry on how to judge what you should kill in some logical, self-consistent way. It’s too much of a hot button for many people to bother, though.
another idea is that we stop putting the importance on consciousness as the rule around the morality of it at least until we can all understand consciousness more truly.
theres plenty of ideas such as sustainability, lower consumption, less harm to plants and animals (regardless of consiousness), less toiling of the earth, healthier body. these are all feasible and more important discussions to have around consumption that are backed up with facts and studies
That’s kind of an exotic approach. Normally, morality is built around the idea you shouldn’t inflict suffering on others, and to suffer requires consciousness (or something similar).
Sure, there’s other reasons to be a vegetarian as well, like just your own health and saving money.
I believe even plants have consciousness and that consciousness is a waveform
And science hasn’t really scraped the surface on any of this for any one to speak with certainties around what we should be doing around the topic of consciousness.
so there’s no real clean argument around that particular topic that will fit everyone
Hmm. Well, that’s a bit out of left field. A transverse wave, or a longitudinal one?
neither.
probability amplitude.