RIP. THEM. OUT.
the police have no recourse other then braking the law themselves arresting you if you do.
and also those police are braking the law by useing those devices.
How can we claim consent of the governed when the governed cannot say no?
Electoral Democracy has four required mechanism: Ranked Voting, Lottery Option, Recall Mechanism, Randomized Districting. The United States does not qualify as a democracy. Few of the states, cities, and counties within it are even on the democratic spectrum with one of those mechanisms.
Happy 250th our government is illegitimate.
Correct. Just competitive authoritarianism at this point.
I’m fond of the phrase “electoral oligarchy”.
Did you vote for an oligarch?
No, we just vote for which person the oligarchs buy and own.
So it’s more of an electoral puppet show?
The electoral college did.
LOL! Freedom!!! Right? I visited Cleveland once and only once.
That’s not totally fair to Cleveland. They terminated the contract, Flock just kept right on recording. The same thing happened in many other cities. When maintenance crews service the lights, they should remove the cameras. Keep them in storage until Flock comes to get them.
They could run an add in the newspaper. “Free cameras, first come, first serve”. They would be down in 20 minutes.
Excellent. That would probably be impressively effective
I heard some cordless power tools could come handy.
Typical. I grew up in Cleveland (not born there, I didn’t come from that shallow, murky gene pool), and it truly sucks, and one of the very worst things are the cops. They are literally the worst cops in the nation.
This is the city where three teen girls went missing for a decade. Turned out they were kept hostage in a house directly NEXT DOOR to one of the girls’ homes. They had interviewed EVERYBODY in the neighborhood, EXCEPT the weird single guy who lived right next door. After a decade of being raped regularly, one of the girls escaped and they all got free, no thanks to the cops.
It’s also where a psychopathic serial killer operated openly in a neighborhood, killing women and burying some of them in his backyard. Others just decomposed in his house. The neighbors complained about the stench for years, and also the blood-curdling screams, and the fact that he would try to grab women off the sidewalk in front and drag them into his house. Finally, a naked bloody woman burst out of the house screaming, and the cops FINALLY checked the guy out and found bodies everywhere.
Cleveland cops (and ALL the surrounding suburbs) are as bad as cops get in this country, and it was one of the primary reasons I left, along with the fact that Clevelanders tend to be pretty dumb, since all the smart ones leave.
And the weather really sucks, too.
Not to mention the Cuyahoga river that sometimes just happens to catch on fucking fire from pollution. I seriously think that pollution fucks with everyone’s brains over there but here I am on the east coast where the East River, Charles River and the run off systems from Maine all empty into the areas some ¼ mile to a mile away from drinking water treatment facilities so… What the fuck right.
We’re all getting retarded drinking the water and then we can’t escape microplastics or cadmium, lead, mercury and chlorine forever.
The Cuyahoga River hasn’t caught fire in over 50 years. That was because of all the factories along the river that dumped their pollution in it for decades.
But that ended years ago, when all those factories went out of business, and Cleveland became the economically and culturally stagnant shithole that I grew up in.
Yeah the middle of America got so fucked over… Now they want to start nuclear power plants all over the country.
Tldr - nuclear power is awesome and USA electric grid is fucked and so are we if someone wants to attack it.
Nuclear power plants are actually awesome though, they’re one of the most efficient and safest forms of electricity generation especially when built and managed properly.
We’ve learned a lot since five mile island.
I think we should be pushing for more nuclear as a way to expand the power grid capacity and reliability. Of course other renewable energy systems as well, like wind and (especially) solar should be proceeding to be built up too while we decrease reliance on coal/oil/natural gas for electricity production.
It’s wild how backwards the Trump admin is on all of that. It’s also getting to the point where even non subsidized it just makes more sense to use wind or solar because it’s as cheap or cheaper than traditional fossil fuels now.
Personally, I’m of the opinion that if we can spend gobs of money killing children halfway around the world we have the money to fix our infrastructure at home. Like, regardless of what I said above, our electrical grid is so vulnerable to even amateur hour attacks never mind a sophisticated state actor like China or Iran. You could blow up idk … 20 or less substations and probably knock most of our grid out for weeks and that’s if you’re not using the backdoor software that was installed coupled with poor network security to just remotely fuck our shit up.
We’ll learn a real hard lesson about all that sooner or later at this rate. You can’t just keep destroying the soft power and goodwill your nation has built up over 100 years and piss off a bunch of powerful countries and expect there to not be consequences.
I am also for nuclear. It’s just a giant steam power plant with radio active rods. I’m thinking about the Ohio River being polluted with radioactivity as a worst case scenario.
Yes we’d certainly need proper oversight and responsible disposal of radioactive materials. It’s true, that can be problematic but I think the problems from that are smaller and easier to solve than the problems from fracking/oil well drilling/coal mining etc destructive practices for fuel.
I’m sure there’s been a lot of debate about it over the years.
But yeah nuclear power is pretty cool tech.
I think the problems from that are smaller and easier to solve than the problems from fracking/oil well drilling/coal mining etc destructive practices for fuel.
No. Way more destructive. Fracking for oil and drilling can make a site uninhabitable for like 5 years and it can be cleaned effectively in a minimum of like a month.
Nuclear Damage can last from 112 years to up to 20,000 years. You can decontaminate an area effectively on 2 to 7 years but the waste water of dumped wouldn’t be good for anything.
Some colleges have micro nuclear power plants so it’s not like they’re not used.
Its a gamble that needs a lot of competence to make it future proof.
To be fair the Cuyahoga river burned once since 1969 and that was in 2020 when a tanker car got derailed so spilled fuel into the river (more info: https://all-geo.org/highlyallochthonous/2020/08/the-cuyahoga-river-burned-today-for-the-first-time-in-51-years-heres-what-we-can-learn-from-it/)
Honestly the 1969 fire spurred the creation of the EPA and a lot of new regulations on pollution (thankfully, except now our current admin wants to roll stuff back and not enforce the law so … I guess that sucks…)
The 2020 incident was just a freak accident thing and before 1969 it has caught fire like 10 times already, it’s crazy what people are willing to put up with. At the end of the day though, the river has recovered some and there are a number of fish and wildlife that live in it - it goes to show we can do better but we often choose not to.
And by we I mean large corporations, the government, and the billionaires.
Great clarification. I had moved by 2020, so I wasn’t there for that one, but as you outlined, that was a unique incident, not caused by the river being so polluted that it could actually BURN!. And most people don’t know that that last big burn was only the latest in a long series of river fires.
I remember driving past the area of The Flats where the factories were, and EVERYTHING was black, the buildings, the equipment, the very ground. There was nothing green at all. It looked like another planet.
But… But I have it on good authority that Cleveland rocks!
It is a good music town, I’ll give it that. GREAT art museum, too, and the Metroparks is a secret treasure. It’s a good sports town, too, but I don’t care about sports at all.
Politically, though, all of Ohio is a hellhole.
I’ve quite enjoyed my time in Cleveland, but it was more recently
That’s because you could leave.
Then people need to start cutting them down
Most people dont know the cameras contain about $80 worth of copper and gold.
Since they are operating illegally, does that mean we can just take them? They have RAM.
And, I believe, those models have TPUs.
And huge amounts of copper.
they have RAM
Wait what?
I don’t think they’re operating illegally. It’s just the city is no longer paying them.
And who did Flock pay for the land usage to install the cameras?
No one, and the city has not asked them too. When someone puts up a sign by the road that says “Slow Children” they don’t pay the city for it, and most people do NOT own the land between the sidewalk and the road, they just mow/maintain it out of moral obligation.
The city decided not to renew the contract, they need to make another action to ensure their removal, or construct a law about them for them to actually be “illegal”.
I bet if I went out and did it they would find a way to make it illegal really quick.
They don’t pay, the customer pays them.
Honestly probably more than my system has now.
It’s not vandalism to put a nice opaque piece of cardboard on a solar panel. And no one seems to know how the camera got like that between the time the batteries died and when the technicians found it.
You know, I like to go fishing. I bring my long fishing pole, and some black plastic bags to contain any trash I happen to see along the way. I like to carry the trash bag fed through the eyelet at the top of my fishing pole. Now, if that bag happens to fall over the top of a flock camera while I’m walking past, enveloping it and drawing the drawstring tight around it, there’s a fair chance I won’t notice.
If course, I dress for chilly weather with a flappy hat to cover my ears, sunglasses to protect from sun glare, and a covid mask, just to be safe. Of course I never bring my mobile phone when I go fishing. I never seem to catch anything anyway.
This is America, the people serve the government.
The government wants its cameras on to monitor the inmates, who’s going to stop them?
Again, deflock shows where they are. Just start mobbing them and fucking them up, sledge hammers go a long way.
Cordless angle grinders work better. The UK has been fighting back for ages
You thought the world was gonna just go back to laws being obeyed?
Liberal Democracy has always been like this. You can vote for what business wants to prove it’s popular. But a vote against is “mob rule”, so it gets ignored
I guess the only solution is to kill the cops. 🤷♂️
I will not shoot a cop. However, I won’t call for help as he’s mauled by the neighborhood methhead either. Out of fairness of course.
You could buy extra meth and get him in the mood to be a hero.
I mean, everything has an LD50 dude
😉
Well they’re illegal right? So we’re justified in dismantling them?
Seems like they would be considered abandoned / litter.
So the only thing that changed is that the area lost their own access to them at the termination date, but the camera companies still collect that data.
Sounds like the thing to do is take the cameras down
Other cities are just covering them in trash bags.
I started to write about covering, but I don’t know the full sensor suite and I assume they can still collect a bunch of data. That sounds good as a first step, though.
Just breaking them off sounds cheaper, more comprehensive, and more in line with demands.
Trash bags feel too much like natural gas was for going green.
You know, you could fuck with those too. Those sensors are passive devices. They don’t directly engage with what they are observing. Which means they cannot authenticate anything. There’s no challenge-response.
So I wonder how hard it would be to flood the blinded cameras with gibberish data.
People should start snipping wires. Bags only stop visual surveillance
That city, Dayton, also being in Ohio strangely.
Preferably after applying an angle grinder.
It’s the year of our lord 2026. Rule of Law is dead. The other Golden Rule is now supreme: He who has the gold, makes the rules.
Don’t forget about might makes right. What, you didn’t want to live in a world where big burly dudes with guns protecting wealthy pedophiles tell you what to do?
2026 is not the year of the lord, but of the devil make no mistake.
Gangsters are in control, which is not cool even though you might think it is. It’s not. Gangsters are parasites, making things more expensive.
Kill the gangsters.
This feels a lot like the collapse of the USSR. Like, yeah, shit wasn’t necessarily great before, but what comes after is worse.
There was a hypothesis proposed a number of years ago that a mono-polar world is inherently unstable. A second great power keeps the other “honest” to a degree and limits the scope of corruption. It doesn’t stop it entirely mind you, but it has to at least maintain the appearance of integrity or expose its vulnerability. Any world where only one great power exists, must eventually collapse under the weight of internal corruption.
Looks like the hypothesis had some merit.
It probably helped that one was at least nominally socialist, so the promise of worker liberation was always on the wind, keeping the capitalists a bit nervous like are they serious? what if it actually happens?
I don’t much like hypotheses that require certain size groups of people.
But I guess that’s just the instability of the dictator applied to the entire world.
If you crack open a history book you’ll find that a multi-polar world has a lot more war. Napoleonic wars, World Wars, etc. Even in the Cold War when nuclear weapons made it too insane for super powers to fight each other directly, they found ways to have massive proxy wars, like the Korean War and Vietnam War. These wars left over a million people dead each. Then there were all of the various civil wars that the superpowers were involved like the Angolan civil war, that one was about a half million people dead. These conflicts were happening all over the world.
People today shit themselves over Gaza, but that’s less than a tenth of casualties compared to the wars that happened in the Cold War and less than 0.2% of WW2. Would you consider wars happening in multiple parts of the world with 10 to 500 times the casualties we’ve seen in Gaza to be a “stable world”?
The Spanish flu killed more people than all the human wars in the last thousand years. How many genocides still occured under “Pax Americana.” Taking the whole world into account, 90% of humanity would be under just as much threat of violence if the US vanished tomorrow. There hasn’t been an era of broad peace among most of the globe in 6000 years. You act like it’s been sunshine and roses under the monopolar system. Ask the people of Libya, Syria, and Iraq how they feel about that? Ask the Cubans, and the Guatemalans and the Haitians if they feel protected.
You’re acting like a million deaths is the same as 100,000 deaths. I’m not saying a mono-polar world is sunshine and roses. I’m saying a multi-polar world is worse. I’m giving you numbers to back that up.
It’s not like either of us is going to change the course of the world. It will likely go in the direction of a multi-polar world because the US is on the decline. You shouldn’t be so naive as to think that you should be preparing to celebrate world peace breaking out when there’s a multi-polar world. You should be prepared for world war.
Some the things you listed are just the start of that. Syria was not exactly aligned with the West. It was aligned with Russia and Iran which are pushing for this multi-polar world you seem to think will be better. Half a million people were killed in the Syrian civil war. You should expect more of that in a multi-polar world. Ukraine is another example of Russia trying to become a Great Power in a multi-polar world. It’s at least a million dead and counting in that one.
If you think I expect world peace you didn’t read what 8 wrote. But I will die proudly for justice. For mercy. For the truth, and I will not mourn a hegemony that enforces “peace” at the cost of thos values.
You are equating the genocide of Palestinians, something that has been going on for decades, to proxy wars between super powers.
The Concert of Europe kept the continent relatively peaceful for a century, mainly by ensuring that one nation didn’t become another Napoleonic France.
Post World War II was also relatively peaceful compared to the interwar years, mainly because of the two interventionist powers trying to compete with each other. There was a lot of genocide after World War I.
So if it’s only millions of non-white people dying that means the world is “stable”?
I use stable as a relative term, but it isn’t like the number of non-white people dying goes down during periods of instability.
Who cares about democratic decisions or the law in the US, anyway?
I mean if we are being real they voted to not pay to renew the contract, and people checked to see if they were still there when the the contract ended.
No where was it mentioned the date the cameras were required to be removed by, nor what would happen with them.
A good comparative we have seen in the U.S. would be direct tv. If you cancel the service and the contract ended on June 29th, Direct Tv doesn’t come out and remove the dish from your roof that day, they leave it there and it’s your problem.
Cleveland likely needs to start a lawsuit against the company for leaving their products on their property and if they aren’t removed by a set “reasonable” date schedule someone from the city to remove them.
Really I’m sure flock is just hoping to get them to pass a separate contract so they don’t have to move them to another city
In civilized countries The Flock Camera network is CLEARLY illegal.
My recommendation to USA is to strive to become a civilized country, before caring so much about every single detail that arise from not being a civilized country.
Americans are constantly focusing on the symptoms but never on the disease that cause them. Maybe because Americans are brainwashed to think the insanity going on in USA is normal.How is a paragraph consisting entirely of platitudes a solution?
“Americans are being spied on by their government and powerful transnational corporations despite the fact that they voted to show their disapproval.”
“Yes, well. Have you tried being civilized? 🧐”
No really, Americans are not even trying to build a better civilization, they are doing the opposite.
Building and improving civilization is a very well defined goal, of respecting human rights, respecting minorities and building a well functioning democracy and society.
Americans are doing none of that.Your failure to understand this, and failure to identify the problems and possible solutions is part of the problem.
The flock camera is not the problem but a symptom, and the problem is forgotten when the symptom is debated.
Americans claim individuality and personal freedom, but few developed countries have such disregard and lack of protection for the individual USA has.
Instead USA has freedom for the cooperations and agencies to fuck individuals over as they like.Edit:
Funny how this is downvoted, despite it’s obviously true, the American society has clearly degraded for the past 9 years.
And a couple of decades before that it wasn’t progressing as a civilized society like other developed countries either.Doubling down on the pretense was certainly a choice.
Guess what, little bro? We know. Some of us are out there actually fighting this battle.
“Some of you” are not Americans in general, as in the majority.
I also wonder why you feel personally attacked if you are not in the group I described?Me: “You’re being annoying and pretentious.”
You: “Sounds like someone feels personally attacked!”
We done?
Me: Making a point.
You: Whuaah Whuaah
Now we’re done.
Yeah I’m a US American, our culture is hot garbage. We’re inconsiderate, entitled, proudly ignorant, revel in violence, and hate poor people and minorities. I’ve lived all over the country. I’ve had good neighbors, but every neighborhood I’ve lived in has been exactly as I describe. Anyone that thinks I’m wildly off base here probably fits very neatly into the above categories.
I’m American too, and yeah, even most (nominally) leftwing Americans are in denial about how shitty American culture is. They still have the the american civil religion in their head.
There’s a lot of money controlling media propaganda, which brainwashes people. Or people are otherwise powerless. You could probably say the same about Russians in Putin’s Russia. Or Chinese under the CCP.
Brainwash nothing, you have to be a ponderously ignorant person and inherently mean enough to fall for the brainwashing. That excuse maybe flies the first term, at this point they’re genuinely indisputably bad people. They have agency. They choose this seeing everything you and I see. Fuck em all, if they all died overnight it would solve the majority of the earth’s problems.
Yes, the difference is that most people are aware it’s happening in Authoritarian countries like Russia and China, but forget that it’s also happening in USA.
I dont think they believe theyre under an authoritarian government either.
Ah, I see you haven’t met the tankie a on this site then yet.
Haha yes I have, what a bunch of idiots. 🤡
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Most of us voted for this by not voting for the literally only other viable candidate and most of us are too bitch pussy to nut the fuck up and own the consequences of our actions. That’s why most of us deserve what we’re getting. 75 million Americans don’t deserve this. The rest are getting what they voted for.
Harris has never even lied and pretended she is against the surveillance state or the military industrial complex. Did you want people to vote for Jill Stein? Write in Bernie during the primaries? You can vote for mask off fascism or you can vote for a respectable statesman who keeps the killing of brown people a bit quieter. How is that a viable option. Because you feel better stateside? Do you go on YouTube and comment on old Obama speeches about how you miss having a President who could speak in full sentences while he oversaw a campaign of mass terror, bailed out (FUNDED) global financial leeches, and did nothing to slow the consolidation of billionaire backed media and tech conglomerates because at the end of the day, he believes in this shit too?
So your solution is get the mask off fascism in power, congratulations you’re an accelerationist and thus about as serious as the average MAGAt.
I do not consider a teenager fresh to current events disagreeing with me on politics as much of a gotcha moment. If you’re older than I’ve guessed you should consider learning more before you try to transition into educating. If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere. But maybe there’s still pride at Target. Is that what you mean by viable?
Building a civilization is harder than you think. You’re being lazy by not putting the work in to make things better.
Do you think all the forces at play that have led us here will magically go away after it all burns down? You’re either dangerously naive, stupid, or have an ulterior motive.
I don’t. Do you think they’ll go away if you vote?
If every single citizen of the united states who still has the right to vote casts a ballot for Kamala Harris, Palestine still burns, and Palantir still revolutionizes killing and incarcerating people elsewhere.
What about all those little girls who had their school bombed, would they be dead too? Would the various humanitarian aid ngos still be defunded, directly leading to unnecessary death?
What a lazy argument. Just because the obvious better candidate didn’t do everything you wanted, don’t vote for them, even if they do some things better. Since they’re not perfect, fuck them and let the fascist win. That’s literally accelerationism, you just don’t want to acknowledge the clear result of your position.
if you voted for [Democrat] would [bad thing] still happen in [foreign place]
Yeah obviously. Do you understand how many different Democrat administrations have funded various genocides, dictatorships, and hostile takeovers of self governing people
Tedious thread hijacking. There are whole communities of post after post for you to do this exact thing. Cant you go do this there?
What a joke. Harris, the ex-prosecutor who worked directly with police to send people to jail would have somehow banned these devices? Based on what exactly, the (D) next to her name?
These cameras are all over Democratic cities because they love surveillance too. Look how many stories about people wrongfully accused/arrested of crimes based on junk Flock data have come out of places like Colorado and California.
Furthermore Democrats are all on board with other mass surveillance laws such as the KIDS Act, requiring people to show ID to install operating systems or go online, which has a majority support amongst both Democratic and Republican legislators. Obama happily continued the PATRIOT Act, and the list goes on.
What a bunch of absolute nonsense pulled straight from your behind.
Yeah, that’s why you primary incumbents with progressives you fucking walnut. Participate in the fuckin conversation or go back to your accelerationist space. What you’re doing right here gets republicans elected, but that’s probably your goal anyway.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24 or use their wealth and power to crush progressive candidates like they tried to do in the NYC mayoral election. You’re dangerously naive if you think that the issue with these people holding us under their thumb is that they don’t have enough support from us.
You’re the accelerationist here because you’re the one demanding we turn our brains off and support the status quo and let them do as they wish. You’re being played like a fiddle.
Unless the DNC decides not to have a primary like we saw with Biden in '24
This is exactly why people need to join the Democratic party to change it from within.
There are only 2 options currently, completely insane and less insane, joining the less insane to improve it is the better option.
Trying to change things from a third party is a fools errand, they will never achieve power as long as Republicans and Democrats agree on sharing it.
“viable candidate” and it was someone who was trying to appeal to moderate republicans that don’t exist. Now your party is getting all of your incumbents unseated in favor of socialists and all they’re worried about is how to sabotage said socialists so they can continue to do nothing.
And this right here is why Americans mostly deserve what they’ve got. And I’m the socialist taking over the party. If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now, but numpty fucks scream both sides and here we are.
If all you moron chucklefucks voted for progressives in democratic primaries and kept republicans out in the general then we wouldn’t be nuts fucking deep in a fascism right now
Except the DNC goes out of their way to sabotage the campaigns of progressive candidates in the primaries and convince everyone that these people are “extremists who can’t win,” so that their right-wing members can continue to win elections and ignore the will of the voters since so many people like yourself are willing to vote for literally anyone just so long as they aren’t the other guy.
This is precisely why fascism took over because we have two parties controlled by fascists and people like yourself refuse to see the light and change your ways. You still think voting for the lesser evil today will somehow lead to candidates who aren’t evil in the future but that’s not how things work as evidenced by 250 years of our history and the fact that it makes zero logical sense.
The DNC knows that you will always compromise your supposed beliefs in order to make the other guy lose therefore they have zero reason to ever do anything for you. Republicans do the exact same thing and thats why they’ve both held on to power all this time despite nearly everyone hating them both. You’re just feeding right into their game.
You’re an acceleration actively advocating for the destruction of the nation, who gives a fuck what you fuckin think? Fuckin ruspublican propagandist motherfuckers all over this garbage ass platform, making fucking redditors look intelligent. And stop using an LLM to write your comments. This fucking place.
You wanna talk about propaganda? How about your assertion that the Democratic party is the only thing standing between us and the destruction of the nation when we can all see with our own eyes that they are more than happy to help push forth Trump’s agenda. You sound like a MAGA Republican who drank too much koolaid.
You had 13 big names in your party saying they’ll spend more time fighting the socialists than the actual fascists. And people ARE voting for progressives in primaries exactly because the incumbents have been doing exactly nothing. The incumbents wouldn’t be getting primaried if they weren’t so similar to the Republicans to the point of collusion.
Oh no 13 out of 257 members of the big tent party… And we still got a bunch in the primaries. Give your balls a tug.
20% of the democratic party is progressive. Whats your big plan to win any election ever again without them? I would have thought losing the last election would teach you chuckleheads some simple math but here we go again.
How many more DNC cashouts/betrayals can the country handle before either the government collapses or we descend completely into fascism? Why arent the centrists dems DOING THEIR EFFING JOB never a possible discussion topic for people like you? God forbid we have a concrete party platform and have any expectation that anyone follow it, right? That might mean fewer donations from special interests and foreign nations.
You proved most of you are brainwashed last elections. So be mad at yourself, not people pointing out the obvious.
False. Learn how the elections actually work.
Do you mean like in 2016 when people stayed home and trump won by the electoral college, or 2024 when even more people stayed home and he just barely won the popular vote too?
Or is there something other than ‘people actually need to vote strategically in the general or deal with the fascist winning’ that we need to learn here? Because they’re right - people were brainwashed and due to their (lack of) voting choice we let him have power again. Too many people chose to stay home instead of voting for the viable candidate who could have kept this shit show (that literally everyone saw coming) from happening.
Yeah, the candidate we had available didn’t get a primary and was less than ideal. But that choice would have been objectively better than what we have now. Too many thought getting less than nothing was better than that, so here we are. Instead of having a chance at influencing the government, we handed the reigns of justice to a fucking dictator wannabe.
Maybe the party will learn a different lesson from the left abandoning them other than the same lesson they’ve taken from it for the last 50 years. Clearly, this methodology is a working one…
It was not the workings of the elections that allowed Trump to win, but it is a flawed democracy that is guilty of granting him way to much power.
A parliamentarian system of many parties forming a government is a better system, but Americans can’t be excused for electing Trump just because their democracy is flawed.
Are you seriously claiming that Americans aren’t brainwashed. 🤣🤣🤣
Just making that claim, probably means you are more brainwashed than average, because most Americans are 100% aware they are brainwashed by propaganda by corrupt media and politicians EVERY FUCKING DAY!
For instance FOX News is one big propaganda channel, no better than the worst in either China or Russia.
But this propaganda is far from limited to just Fox News, most news channels in USA are propaganda channels owned by the 1%. And of it permeate all of American society, so they for instance think sociopathy is a virtue, so enough voted for Donald Trump for him to become president, and half the population didn’t vote!Removed by mod
If all you Americans converted even 1/10 of this energy to hucking bricks at fascists you’d be out of this mess by now. Sorry for the pseudo fed comment, but I hate to see y’all fight when the real enemy is plain as day.
I’m aware.
I don’t think so, you don’t seem to be.
Dude nearly half of Americans are openly fascist at this point. And most of the rest will look the other way while the fascists kill people like me.
Hey how about you just stop making demands that you neither have any right to or any power over?
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Hey how about you just stop making demands that you neither have any right to or any power over? It’s just a suggestion.
