While I’m not a fan of Big tech, but this surely is nonsense. Are they saying there are more vibrations than, say, living in New York? Near those train lines and billions of cars (and there are probably data centers there too).
You better watch this video by Benn Jordan about exactly this issue: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo
He measured the reported issue.
Here is a timestamp witg the datacenrer noise isolated: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?t=540
Yeah, but do you know what’s super useful? Molotov cocktails.
drones/balloons with long metal wire dangling down.
Not sure how effective that would be unless you were able to get inside the building and could strategically deliver them.
What you really need is a drone that can drop thermite, then lower a small EMP device into the hole.
I was thinking 308 punches holes in sides of.computers
Just tax the fucking things already. Fuck tax breaks and kick out any administrators who take the bribes and go against the wishes of their constituents.
This would be hell for me.
This is so stupid I cant believe people fall for it
What makes you assume this is bogus, when it’s been shown repeatedly that it can negatively affect people. Just because you’re not sensitive to it, doesn’t mean no one else is.
Lol. Just linked the same video! :D
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/26736540Yeah none of that expertise is relevant here. I like Ben but this video has no substance.
Lol what. Besides the actual scientific tests and result analysis? No substance?
The same argument is used by opponents of wind energy - Infrasound is having bad effects on their health. People do say that while living next to roads that are producing infrasound multiple times louder than wind turbines ever could.
It’s a nice argument if you need it.
There’s documented proof of this being measured by multiple people.
A windmill is literally only a visual blight.
Have a number of big fans run at almost the same frequency, and you get an onslaught of waves at the differences of those frequencies.
As they are all nearly the same speed/frequency, the differences will be infrasound, which causes a lot of odd effects on people, like anxiety.
So basically the data centers could alleviate their sound problems by having all their fans run at opposite frequencies to cancel our the sound through deconstructive interference
The problem is that you cannot get them synced sufficiently. You basically have to route the complete air flow through a padded chamber to dampen their own and the derived sounds.
And do something that’s good for people at virtually no expense? Haha, no.
Or soundproof the building.
Isn’t it really difficult to soundproof against the low frequency noises?
Just use corrugated cardboard and with longer sine waves, duh!
I am not an audio engineer but you might have a point in that the longer low sound waves would be harder to block.
Where my audiophiles at? We need a sound check on low frequency blocking.
Edit:
Found an article on a crypto mining facility mitigating noise issues.https://noisemonitoringservices.com/data-center-noise-control/
https://www.soundtrace.com/blog/data-center-noise-levels-hearing-conservation-osha-compliance
Also found an article stating that underwater data centers would be the best way to reduce noise. Ignoring that sound travels better underwater and combined with heating the water around them, it would massively disrupt untold amounts of marine life, sure!
Benn Jordan leveraged his expertise in audio engineering to investigate this phenomenon. Do watch.
does he have the video’s research published?
Benn Jordan is like an anarchist Mr. Rogers.
We need an anarchist Mr. Rogers. Just someone pure of heart to talk to kids about taking care of their neighbors no matter what the government says. Little everyday lessons in consensus and how to deal with the conflicts that arise when different people have different big feelings. How everyone is special just for being themselves and we should encourage our neighbors to be their unique selves.
Totally agree.
so, a huge improvement. :)
The US has a serious problem with who is able to sue for what damages when it comes to pollution. Depending on if it’s noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.
As SCOTUS keeps ruling (most recently, yesterday) corporations are people (id est, have rights) but human beings do not.
Publicize the costs, privatize the profits!
Depending on if it’s noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.
Boy, it’s almost like those are meant to protect something and someone else… Hm… 🤔
so same thing as for wind turbines then
Edit: as in, they should not be built where people live because you can feel the vibrations and it has a measurable effect on your vascular health. i linked a paper.
For those speaking german, I’m linking to a podcast episode of the Quarks Science Cops (Public Broadcast) about this topic. Link to Youtube
Spoiler: We already have way louder infrasound producers near us. Wind turbines are already build in quite a distance to be safe from flying debris in case of a catastrophic mechanical breakdown of the spinning blades.
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There’s tons of evidence for data centers, but I’ve never heard the same for wind turbines. Do you have a source?
Can confirm I have seen tons of articles over the years of residents complaining about low frequency hum from wind turbines. Just Google it. In comments sections, it generally gets written off as bullshit or the residents just hating clean energy. Now the same scenario comes up for data centers and people want to accept it as a legitimate problem.
I dunno, but maybe being exposed to a constant non-stop noise that never turns off might not be good for humans, no matter what the source is.
i’ve heard it a lot but never put much stock in it until there was actual research: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8
I would love to see your explanation for why wind turbines have as much a negative impact on people’s health as hyperscale data centers.
apparently low-frequency noise causes heart rate variations. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97107-8
the conclusion is the same for both things too: don’t build them where people live.
From the first scimming, I would not give much credit to that study. Only 29 participants. But most importantly it was not double blind. The participants where instructed on what exactly the study wanted to find out and could easily see, how far they where from the wind turbine at the testing sides. Thats a programmed placebo effect.
Also: They only measured at 2 sites. The outdoor site was only 20m from the wind turbine. That is a distance not even relevant to placement of wind turbines. The safety distance to the spinning blades will already be significantly higher, at least 100m. So the measurement at that side might be interesting, but irrelevant.
We really need to focus on more offshore wind for this reason.
Of course, its so simple!
Thank you
