State supreme court rules in case of two bishops who were silent about three children abused by Mormon parents

Clergy members in Arizona who learn of child abuse in the context of religious confession are not required to report it, the state’s supreme court has said in a ruling that protects what church leaders call the “seal of the confessional”.

The panel’s ruling ends a long-running case in which three children who were sexually abused by their parents sued the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), also known as the Mormon church, and two bishops who became aware of the crimes but remained silent.

The case has parallels in a short-lived 2025 law in Washington state that would have compelled clergy members there to report sexual abuse. That proposal was permanently withdrawn in October after legal action by the Catholic church.

In a statement, the LDS welcomed the unanimous ruling by the state supreme court on Thursday that exempts clergy members as “mandated reporters” if they learned of the abuse of minors in the confession booth or through other “confidential” methods.

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    God exists of himself. That is why he relies on nothing. All evidence points to an omnipotent creator

    Why were we made unique in the eyes, tongue and hands?

    (retinas, fingerprints and tongueprints)

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      God exists of himself. That is why he relies on nothing.

      Maybe the universe is like that with no god required. We don’t know.

      All evidence points to an omnipotent creator

      No. There is no evidence we were created, no evidence that omnipotence exists, and logically speaking the christian god is an impossibility.

      There is no evidence for god.

      Why were we made unique in the eyes, tongue and hands?(retinas, fingerprints and tongueprints)

      We evolved via messy biological processes.

      https://www.scienceabc.com/innovation/why-are-fingerprints-unique-and-why-do-we-have-them

      Fingerprints form between roughly weeks 10 and 24 of fetal development, as the rapidly growing skin on the fingertips buckles into ridges under the volar pads. Each fingerprint is shaped by a mix of genetics and the unique in-utero environment (pressure on the womb, amniotic fluid currents, finger movement, blood flow), which is why even identical twins (who share DNA) have different fingerprints. Their use in identifying victims, suspects, and verifying records relies on this individual variation rather than any single, mathematically proven uniqueness rule.

      I can’t stress this enough: It’s not magic. Magic isn’t real.

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        The universe relies on a lot of specific conditions. Thus it must have a creator.

        There is a lot of philosophical evidence as well as scientific evidence.

        Who is responsible for the natural phenoma? God

        Even identical twins who share DNA have different fingerprints. We are all unique. This is all more proof of a creator and a soul

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          The universe relies on a lot of specific conditions.

          That’s an assertion with no evidence. It’s not like we have other universes we can compare to.

          Thus it must have a creator.

          No, that does not follow. You have it backwards again. We evolved to fit our environment, and now you turn around and say the environment was designed for us. You’ve drawn a target around where the arrow already landed and you’re pretending you hit a bulls-eye.

          There is a lot of philosophical evidence as well as scientific evidence.

          There is no such thing as philosophical evidence. There is measurable evidence, and there is logic we can apply to reach conclusions. There is zero scientific evidence supporting the existence of any god.

          What’s your favorite piece of philosophical “evid”? I will explain the fallacy.

          Who is responsible for the natural phenoma?

          Why assume any one being is responsible for it? Why assume that being has a mind?

          Even identical twins who share DNA have different fingerprints. We are all unique. This is all more proof of a creator and a soul

          Nope, you failed to read the article. Read the whole thing, not just the part you want to cherry-pick.

          Also, you’re just plain wrong. Different fingers, even on different individuals, can match: https://arxiv.org/html/2412.13135v1

          Galton’s argument, then, is that as the number of people on planet Earth was around 1.6 billion when he was writing his argument, the chance that an individual’s fingerprint would be exactly like that of the same finger of any other member of the human race was 1 to 4. To be accepted today, Galton’s modeling would require more detail and should rely less on an individual’s subjective guesses, but with minor changes, it is correct and conservative.

          So your “evidence” for god, which would not have actually been evidence of a creator even if all our fingerprints were unique, is just false.

          Please take time to challenge your assumptions. Your faith has taken you dangerously far from the world we actually live in.

          We have ZERO evidence suggesting the existence of:

          • god
          • magic
          • christ
          • souls
          • heaven
          • hell
          • angels
          • satan

          So why are you pretending otherwise?

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            It relies on the Big Bang to exist. If it has a beginning, it must have a cause.

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              If it has a beginning, it must have a cause.

              Why do you assume the big bang was the beginning of existence?

              The honest answer is “we don’t know what led to our existence, but we learn more the more we look.” The dishonest answer is “must’ve been a wizard.”

              Do you believe that god has no beginning? Maybe the universe is like that.

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                The universe, as agreed upon is the combination of time, space and matter

                so if it was created, the creator needs to be outside of time, space and matter and be powerful enough to create the universe and be loving enough to create it even though he didnt need it

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                  The universe, as agreed upon is the combination of time, space and matter

                  I suppose? The universe is everything, all of existence, from what I understand. Your model leaves out light, massless photons.

                  so if it was created

                  Big if! We have no reason to assume it was.

                  the creator needs to be outside of time, space and matter and be powerful enough to create the universe and be loving enough to create it even though he didnt need it

                  And so did his creator. Right? Or is this special pleading again?

                  Also, a god who would give kids cancer is not doing it out of love. I resent my parents for giving birth to me. This life is more suffering than joy, and that is largely thanks to your death cult and others.

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                    If God is outside of time, he has no beginning nor end, so he does not need a creator as he exists of himself

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                  be loving enough to create it

                  Welp, i created my minecraft world but i am not very loving of villagers

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                The big bang itself has a beginning right? something cant be created from nothing.

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                  God itself has a beginning, right? Something cannot be created from nothing.

                  Here, again, is the most honest truth: we don’t know.

                  But inventing wizards does not solve any of these questions, it just kicks the can down the road, from the universe to an anthropomorphic yet vaguely defined “supreme” being whose supposed omnipotence fails to prevent needless suffering. You’ve not answered any questions, and you’ve added many more by making unfalsifiable claims.

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                    1. No, God has to be outside of time to create time for time cannot create time.
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                  We don’t in fact know if the big bang is the beginning or if it’s correct the theory at all, for what we know there could’ve been another universe before the big bamg and something happened to it

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                the universe is definitely not eternal as it has an end.