• Wilmo@programming.dev
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        2 days ago

        A YouTuber already proved that Teslas autopilot would drive straight through a portrait of a road. Since it only uses cameras without other tech like lidar

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            2 days ago

            Sure because humans don’t have radar and lidar. Something Tesla chose not to put on their vehicle.

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              Yes it is a questionable decision. But I think it wasn’t just being cheap. I think it’s because of liability for errors; when it comes to placing fault on a car in the legal system, a judge / jury is only going to look at video captures. They won’t understand the lidar data. So if the car makes a bad decision based on lidar when there’s a conflict with visual queues, it will be deemed that it made a mistake. So there’s not really any point to trying to work with the lidar data.

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                8 hours ago

                I don’t know if what you’re saying is true but refusing to use technology that would prevent accidents because it will be more difficult to explain the cause of the remaining accidents is a crazy take. And the other self driving car companies use lidar so the NTSB isn’t unfamiliar with the technology.

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            2 days ago

            Human drivers can pull in environmental and other cues though, like “why is there daylight on the road inside a building?”

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              1 day ago

              Ai can use that info too. And it doesn’t get distracted, or drink beer. Self driving cars have the potential to be much safer than humans. We don’t seem to be there yet, but we will be eventually if we don’t block progress.

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                18 hours ago

                You’re talking about a few different things, here.

                • AI could potentially use that info, yes. Teslas don’t use AI to drive
                • Self driving cars do have the potential to be significantly safer, this is true. Telsa’s cars, through a series of missteps, are not anywhere near that potential, and in fact are hazards on the road. This is bad for developing true self-driving cars!
                • The only obstacle to progress being discussed is covered by a picture of a road…
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                    5 hours ago

                    I’ve seen some things suggesting they’re testing it, I’m not seeing that they’ve deployed anything.

                    Honestly, I’d expect AI to make the same mistake as their current systems, though, for a similar reason

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                1 day ago

                When the CEO keeps saying they’ll have full auto pilot in the next few years for over a decade, then complains that the problem is the government stopping then from rolling it out, you start to question if it should ever be rolled out. At least maybe not by a for profit entity who puts profits before safety.

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                  8 hours ago

                  FWIW Google/Alphabet/Waymo seem to be doing a decent job and seem to really be doing the work to deliver solid (level 4?) self driving. Tesla is just so unserious and are happy to hype their shit up and let consumers believe the hype which leaves people treating their “self-driving” car as if it is really capable of what the average person would envision when you use the term “self driving “. And then it drives through a wall like Wiley E Coyote.