I can’t believe YouTube got included in the ban.
It’s probably time I should get off my ass and write to my Labour representative saying I’m voting for any other party until they repeal this (and the “online safety act”).
I hate social media but I hate “papers, please” to use the web even more.
I’ve arrived at the same conclusion and will be writing to my Labour MP as well - we let the pot boil too long on this unfortunately.
Let me get this straight. You would vote for any other party, which equates to reform getting in and doing an unimaginable amount of damage to the country, because labour has banned YouTube, tiktok, Snapchat and Facebook for kids?
I would write to my MP that I would vote for any other party to make it clear this is an issue. I am not saying all other parties are adcAequally good.
It’s difficult to tell if you’re being sincere when you phrase what I see as a problem of mass surveillancep&r
I know what you said, you said you would go torched earth if labour don’t drop the bill to protect kids from bad sites. You would vote for anyone else, which is essentially hanging the towel and letting reform win. First past the post and all that.
You’re under the impression we don’t already have massive surveillance? I know you know we do, the only difference is we don’t have any of the perks of it, such as stopping kids from accessing highly damaging content online.
Think for a second here, friend. How do they know weather someone is above 16?
Age verification? What’s your point… voting for anyone else enables reform to get in which leads to America.
My point is that this isn’t about kids.
I believe it is. The government capabilities of spying on its citizens doesn’t require it to have age verification lol… In any case, UK people can’t be spied on.
In any case, UK people can’t be spied on.
Oh interesting! Why do you think that?
What the heck is your point exactly? We shouldn’t have mass surveillance? But we already do… Have you seen how many cameras there are? Do you know DWP can access your internet history if they suspect benefit fraud? No warrant required… And that’s one of dozens of government departments that can just whip up your internet history…
This isn’t some grand attempt at putting the final bit of the puzzle together… there are legitimately multiple generations of children who can’t read, accessing brain dead content that are turning into potatoes and becoming radicalised… Shall we just stop all attempts at preventing that because you’re worried about your privacy?
Because bans have worked so well before. /s
A more appropriate headline would read something like… “UK government shows their incompetence by attempting to block children from social media.”
…While allowing the real abusers of power to continue on. The bans are targeting the wrong people - children but also teenagers shouldnt have their rights barred because the bad guys exist. Its the bad guys who should face the consequences.
It won’t work lol
Sure it’ll work, adults will identify themselves online, which is the point, and VPN usage will go up, guess where they’re gonna hit next.
How are they going to enforce a VPN ban?
About as effectively as they keep kids off social media. It’s just ratcheting up the technical requirements for anything approaching anonymity, and more get lost along the way.
Here is how I wish we would solve this problem :
Every adult citizen gets an electronic ID card. Said smartcard let’s you authenticate on government websites (FIDO2). And maybe it could sign your vote for referendums if that’s possible in your country. Every smartcard would be secured with a PIN code.
It also can create an anonymous “adult cryptographic token” to register on adult sites, gambling sites and social networks.
Parents could create a token for their childs but they take responsibility for any illegal use, for example in this case using social networks below 16 years old.
Edit : This seems to already be a project in the EU with the EUDI Wallet. It is supposed to start deployment before the end of 2026. Too bad the UK left the EU, this EUDI wallet has features to prove anonymously that you are an adult…
Now what really will happen is politics will say “think of the children” and use that opportunity for more surveillance of their population.
It’s too bad technical problems are answered by politicians and not engineers. We are also very late in term of digital ID cards. Everybody should have for free the means to authenticate online and do so anonymously when needed. We live in a digital world, we need the tools to evolve in it.
It is imperative you can vote without others knowing how you voted (at least here in the UK…). Electronic voting is inferrior to paper when it comes to trustworthness of recording an anonymous vote, counting the result and preventing mass vote fraud.
We already have a hardcopy ID to travel internationally or ID to drive vehicles. The risks of an electronic ID being easily copied would have to get me visiting other solar systems or driving a time machine before I considered it. Something tells me the paper options would continue working at first but eventually this idea will be forced on people.
I was led to believe people on Lemmy are more technically minded. So can you explain to me how you don’t think the government has the technical capabilities to already monitor internet usage of its citizens? The DWP can already access your internet history if they suspect benefit fraud already, for example…
So can you explain to me how you don’t think the government has the technical capabilities to already monitor internet usage of its citizens?
Never said or even implied that.
Then what is the problem with the bill? Everyone is up in arms about censorship and monitoring their identity but that already happens. This bill just means it’s harder for kids to access garbage sites? The capabilities to do all the things people think this bill will achieve already do exist in any case…
“The negative things people are upset about already happen, so we should be fine with those things being made easier and happening more.”
As my comment said, I’m not against the ban of kids accessing social networks. But I’m against age verification laws that are not protecting anonymity which is in my opinion the logical next step for politicians.
My comment is very much explaining why I want people to be able to verify their age anonymously.
And no, just because governments surveil their population doesn’t mean we should make it even easier with privacy invading age verification laws.
And my point is you have already lost the ability of privacy long ago…
Anonymous age verification? You are not anonymous on the internet to begin with. Even doing what you’ve suggested won’t reduce the ability for the government and even data brokers to identify you.
Talk about yourself.
You might have surrendered but many have not.
I’m on linux, extensively use encryption, I’m not on any social network beside Lemmy, so I strongly disagree that anonymity is dead online.
Even doing what you’ve suggested won’t reduce the ability for the government and even data brokers to identify you.
That confirms you didn’t read my comment.
EUID has exactly the feature I’m describing in my post. Being able to prove your an adult without divulging your identity.
If you think using Linux, encryption, vpns and Lemmy makes you anonymous to any states or data brokers that want to identify you then you are naive at best.
I have not surrendered my anonymity, I recognised and accepted that in order to have it, a lot of bad things become possible, and the damage it causes… It’s just not worth.
That’s an entirely different subject though, my point remains. You are not anonymous to governments or data brokers. This bill won’t decrease your level of privacy, it will only make it more difficult for children to access social media, which currently is plagued with all sorts of harmful content. This bill is a net positive.
How about we make the web safe for everyone. There is no need for gambling and other harmful things, as it impacts everyone - this isnt an age problem.
This isn’t only a technical problem, but also an human rights, and youth rights problem. And right now, that anonymous I’d thing will only punish the people the most while corporations publishing harmful algorithms stay blameless.
So free reign for censorship so long as someone alleges harm?
So free reign for censorship so long as someone alleges harm?
So in your mind protecting people from proven harms is censorship? Isnt this what you essentially are advocating for here?
Side note, censorship is not what I advocate for, but a free internet thats safe for everyone. If regulation is censorship then you clearly need to look up the definitions.
At least they did something right. Social media is made to get people addicted. I close my Facebook account because I noticed the feeds I was getting was just pure brain rot, low denominator slop to get people to keep sliding the feed. They should go further, for 18 years old and over.
