Tor, i2p if you still have access to TCP and reticulum to bypass TCP entirely.
Edit: I should have said bypass TCP/IP because you need centralized infrastructure to use TCP IP because of the border gateway protocol and routing.
With Reticulum, you self-assign a destination hash using your public and private key pair and then announce that destination hash over whatever connection to the Reticulum network you happen to have. Whether it be Bluetooth, LORA, TCP/IP, serial cable, whatever.
Love when people drops this kind of thing as it were the easiest thing to do. Most common users would not have or would ever get the knowledge or the means to do this thing they are aiming for them and then solve the outliers like us. Fighting for the rights is the real solution!
So how do we bring moderation to these sites we can access using tor. Need to make sure people aren’t just doing whatever they want. That would be insane
What if we can anointed a single small group of young people and PR team interns that can just dictate to us what we can and cannot do with these spaces. Blocking others also works. Being able to ignore problems is best.
There’s a few places… Torrent tracker. Could use a lot of improvement though, yes. It’s always been that way unfortunately. TOR is larger but that makes sense due to gov origination and its associated money.
Compared to the open internet and the slightly dark parts of the internet, there is nothing of great interest, except the fact that no one can easily hunt down what you did while you were there.
The real problem is, by the time you actually want to be there because there is no anonymous access to the real net, they’ll ferret out people running i2p at all and block them from doing so.
The problem I have it that it doesnt seem lile there can ever be anything. Its so slow dynamic content would be horrible and all the users are anonymous so keeping bad actors out would be extremely tired some.
The real problem is, by the time you actually want to be there because there is no anonymous access to the real net, they’ll ferret out people running i2p at all and block them from doing so.
Correct. Its terrifying to confirm my fears with others. Protocol blocking, ddos attacks on the networks, etc…
I’m mostly worried that at some point they’ll fire up a client, note the nodes it’s connecting to, send police to their locations, nested wash rince repeat.
I was actually kinda stoked at AI because we could have it locally write semi-plausible fiction with digital payloads embedded. And all of a sudden our social media is based on a database hidden in bad vampire fan-fiction.
Already is more or less, it’s becoming incredibly difficult to stay anonymous. Cloudflare is utilized by %20 of the internet. They no doubt have databases full of device identifiers and associated ip addresses. And thats ignoring the rest of the neo axis of tech companies with their own data pilfering setups and various law enforcement agencies. Can’t do shit without verification these days. Can’t even spin up your own servers without a cc. I mean technically bitcoin and xmr exist but between KYC laws and ddos attacks against the xmr network… Lol. Don’t let the bastards grind us down, but they sure as hell wish to succeed.
I’ve totally wanted to do something neat with Reticulum; we just lack a way to communicate video speeds over long distances without last-mile service providers. I’m sitting on a pile of HaLow / meshtastic gear, but I’m too broke (and close to an airport) to put up a good mast and I live far enough in a hole that I can’t get to the main artery of RLOS.
I send up mesh nodes on a drone once in a while and I can see a hell of a lot of net.
I2p and Reticulum scratch the general area of the privacy itch, But I worry that the government will decide that pricacy is treason, start a client and start going node to node dropping the hammer on people.
Even though you can’t put up a mast and are currently isolated from the rest of the mesh, put up a node anyway, and then add yourself to one of the maps with, say, a quarter mile of inaccuracy.
If somebody was to drive to the location you have your node pinned at, with a quarter mile of inaccuracy, they would still be able to communicate with your node.
A node on a mast is great. A node on your roof is good. So, if you can’t have great, don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good and put up a node on your roof. Your house is still probably around 30 feet tall, so that’s still 30 feet of height, and somebody will eventually be able to communicate with you.
Otherwise, you get the chicken and egg problem, where a new person turns on a mesh core node and sees nobody available, so they turn off their mesh core node and put it in a drawer, and when their neighbor gets a mesh core node and turns it on, they see nobody there, so they turn off their mesh core node and put it in a drawer, not knowing that their neighbor has one, and if they had just left it on, they would have someone to communicate with.
As for the government making their own client and trying to hunt people down, you can make mesh nodes out of a lot of things because it’s so small and low-powered. I’ve seen people make security cameras into mesh nodes or solar lights into mesh nodes and when you mentioned this my thought went to a mesh teddy bear. I’ve never seen anybody create a mesh teddy bear, but I don’t see why you couldn’t.
I have. Threw an external antenna on my roof just peaking above the crest (HOA hasn’t noticed yet). I Keep nodes set as router-late in my car so when I go driving I can see other people exist.
TBF, even when I’m out, I’ve never made contact on the mesh. There are a dozen meshtastic nodes here and there, best I can tell it’s just a couple other hams, no real comms going on. Even the VHF Ham scene here is mostly dead.
My actual goal was to get a half-decent signal for my kids’ bus route and school. The school is only a mile away, but it’s not like i’m going to throw a $300 aprs radio in his bag, a $30 LoRa capsul though, sure!
Have a look at both meshtastic and meshcore. You say you’ve already seen some meshtastic nodes, but a lot of people are moving to meshcore, and so you might have better luck there.
Also, with your node antenna up at the crest of the house roof, I would think a mile should be doable to your kid’s school.
It may not work while they’re in the building itself, but if they are outside, then I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.
There is 0 meshcore anywhere near me. I drove heltek v3’s around my beltway, nada.
I would think a mile should be doable to your kid’s school.
Nope, tried it, no radio line of site. it’s a little hilly here and there’s a shit ton of old-growth forrest in between.
I’ve been trying to find a tree tall enough to repeat with clear solar from the south, that’s not on someone’s property, The only good options are in the middle of a swampy run.
Ah, gotcha. Well in that case meshtastic is definitely your best bet for now and as for getting a node up into the tree I’m not sure unless you’re willing to go swamp bogging
If I weren’t so close to an airport, I’d do a tethered balloon. I do have a drone so i could lay paracord over a high branch and hoist it up if I had the gear to not get bit by something nasty. If I wasn’t so worried about the cost. I could just strand a solar node up there with a long break-away line and just write it off when it needed batteries.
The protocol is reasonably private. Trying to find exact sources of a piece of traffic is about as hard as it can be. Reading the contents of the traffic is also at a very high bar.
The downside is, it still needs visible nodes to connect to, and the VAST majority of us only actually have access to TCP routed networks for that purpose. The only way you’re talking to that reticulum node in Norway from California is because BGP is delivering your crypto stream for you.
If you have a small neighborhood and you’re all like-minded, you could use reticulum over HaLow or LoRa network adapters to create a private, IP-less mesh and it could go as far as you can find more people willing to run the hardware. HaLow has enough bandwidth to stream video, LoRa is mostly only good for text. Of course, If someone is doing something like video, it won’t take much to saturate everyone’s connection. It’s not like someone could run a Plex server and everyone could be watching it in the neighborhood at the same time; that 30MBPS can only handle a couple of decent-quality streams.
The big problem with TCP IP is that it requires being assigned IP addresses and the border gateway protocol and other such infrastructure, which is not usable as an individual.
In Reticulum, you self-assign a destination address using your public and private keys and then announce that that service is available to the rest of the network through whatever connection you happen to have to the rest of the network.
I think once the user experience gets simplified down, Reticulum will be an amazing piece of technology. But right now, it’s just not very user-friendly with the user experience.
I can use it, and I bet you can use it, but I don’t know if my mom would be able to use it right now, as is.
If it comes to that point, there will still be ways to get software that gets around it. It might require a physical transfer from somebody, but they can’t ever cover 100% of the options. Black markets will always exist, and Anarchist or hacker groups would probably help you for free.
Some of us bought our hard drives before OJ Simpleton got elected. Fill em up now or regret it later.
Ebooks, 100%. Information density first and foremost, then comics/manga, then movies and sure, some TV, a copy of wikipedia, linux isos and tools, more isos, more tools, a few containers and a virtual machine disk of your choice - went with Debian.
Future’s fucked. I do my part to donate to whoever I think will turn the tide anyway, but… have a plan B.
Tor, i2p if you still have access to TCP and reticulum to bypass TCP entirely.
Edit: I should have said bypass TCP/IP because you need centralized infrastructure to use TCP IP because of the border gateway protocol and routing.
With Reticulum, you self-assign a destination hash using your public and private key pair and then announce that destination hash over whatever connection to the Reticulum network you happen to have. Whether it be Bluetooth, LORA, TCP/IP, serial cable, whatever.
Love when people drops this kind of thing as it were the easiest thing to do. Most common users would not have or would ever get the knowledge or the means to do this thing they are aiming for them and then solve the outliers like us. Fighting for the rights is the real solution!
Can those tools be used to post memes about beans and moths?
I don’t see why not.
So how do we bring moderation to these sites we can access using tor. Need to make sure people aren’t just doing whatever they want. That would be insane
Moderation is if you don’t like what somebody’s doing, you block them.
What if we can anointed a single small group of young people and PR team interns that can just dictate to us what we can and cannot do with these spaces. Blocking others also works. Being able to ignore problems is best.
I can’t tell its I can’t find anything worth visiting on i2p or there is just nothing there
There’s a few places… Torrent tracker. Could use a lot of improvement though, yes. It’s always been that way unfortunately. TOR is larger but that makes sense due to gov origination and its associated money.
Compared to the open internet and the slightly dark parts of the internet, there is nothing of great interest, except the fact that no one can easily hunt down what you did while you were there.
The real problem is, by the time you actually want to be there because there is no anonymous access to the real net, they’ll ferret out people running i2p at all and block them from doing so.
The problem I have it that it doesnt seem lile there can ever be anything. Its so slow dynamic content would be horrible and all the users are anonymous so keeping bad actors out would be extremely tired some.
Correct. Its terrifying to confirm my fears with others. Protocol blocking, ddos attacks on the networks, etc…
I’m mostly worried that at some point they’ll fire up a client, note the nodes it’s connecting to, send police to their locations, nested wash rince repeat.
I was actually kinda stoked at AI because we could have it locally write semi-plausible fiction with digital payloads embedded. And all of a sudden our social media is based on a database hidden in bad vampire fan-fiction.
Wait until it’s one of the only private places to go.
Already is more or less, it’s becoming incredibly difficult to stay anonymous. Cloudflare is utilized by %20 of the internet. They no doubt have databases full of device identifiers and associated ip addresses. And thats ignoring the rest of the neo axis of tech companies with their own data pilfering setups and various law enforcement agencies. Can’t do shit without verification these days. Can’t even spin up your own servers without a cc. I mean technically bitcoin and xmr exist but between KYC laws and ddos attacks against the xmr network… Lol. Don’t let the bastards grind us down, but they sure as hell wish to succeed.
I had the same problem, then I decided to do something about it
I’ve totally wanted to do something neat with Reticulum; we just lack a way to communicate video speeds over long distances without last-mile service providers. I’m sitting on a pile of HaLow / meshtastic gear, but I’m too broke (and close to an airport) to put up a good mast and I live far enough in a hole that I can’t get to the main artery of RLOS.
I send up mesh nodes on a drone once in a while and I can see a hell of a lot of net.
I2p and Reticulum scratch the general area of the privacy itch, But I worry that the government will decide that pricacy is treason, start a client and start going node to node dropping the hammer on people.
Even though you can’t put up a mast and are currently isolated from the rest of the mesh, put up a node anyway, and then add yourself to one of the maps with, say, a quarter mile of inaccuracy.
If somebody was to drive to the location you have your node pinned at, with a quarter mile of inaccuracy, they would still be able to communicate with your node.
A node on a mast is great. A node on your roof is good. So, if you can’t have great, don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good and put up a node on your roof. Your house is still probably around 30 feet tall, so that’s still 30 feet of height, and somebody will eventually be able to communicate with you.
Otherwise, you get the chicken and egg problem, where a new person turns on a mesh core node and sees nobody available, so they turn off their mesh core node and put it in a drawer, and when their neighbor gets a mesh core node and turns it on, they see nobody there, so they turn off their mesh core node and put it in a drawer, not knowing that their neighbor has one, and if they had just left it on, they would have someone to communicate with.
As for the government making their own client and trying to hunt people down, you can make mesh nodes out of a lot of things because it’s so small and low-powered. I’ve seen people make security cameras into mesh nodes or solar lights into mesh nodes and when you mentioned this my thought went to a mesh teddy bear. I’ve never seen anybody create a mesh teddy bear, but I don’t see why you couldn’t.
I have. Threw an external antenna on my roof just peaking above the crest (HOA hasn’t noticed yet). I Keep nodes set as router-late in my car so when I go driving I can see other people exist.
TBF, even when I’m out, I’ve never made contact on the mesh. There are a dozen meshtastic nodes here and there, best I can tell it’s just a couple other hams, no real comms going on. Even the VHF Ham scene here is mostly dead.
My actual goal was to get a half-decent signal for my kids’ bus route and school. The school is only a mile away, but it’s not like i’m going to throw a $300 aprs radio in his bag, a $30 LoRa capsul though, sure!
Have a look at both meshtastic and meshcore. You say you’ve already seen some meshtastic nodes, but a lot of people are moving to meshcore, and so you might have better luck there.
Also, with your node antenna up at the crest of the house roof, I would think a mile should be doable to your kid’s school.
It may not work while they’re in the building itself, but if they are outside, then I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.
There is 0 meshcore anywhere near me. I drove heltek v3’s around my beltway, nada.
Nope, tried it, no radio line of site. it’s a little hilly here and there’s a shit ton of old-growth forrest in between.
I’ve been trying to find a tree tall enough to repeat with clear solar from the south, that’s not on someone’s property, The only good options are in the middle of a swampy run.
Ah, gotcha. Well in that case meshtastic is definitely your best bet for now and as for getting a node up into the tree I’m not sure unless you’re willing to go swamp bogging
If I weren’t so close to an airport, I’d do a tethered balloon. I do have a drone so i could lay paracord over a high branch and hoist it up if I had the gear to not get bit by something nasty. If I wasn’t so worried about the cost. I could just strand a solar node up there with a long break-away line and just write it off when it needed batteries.
ELI5, why bypass TCP? I’m looking this up, but an answer might help me and others understand this better. :D
The protocol is reasonably private. Trying to find exact sources of a piece of traffic is about as hard as it can be. Reading the contents of the traffic is also at a very high bar.
The downside is, it still needs visible nodes to connect to, and the VAST majority of us only actually have access to TCP routed networks for that purpose. The only way you’re talking to that reticulum node in Norway from California is because BGP is delivering your crypto stream for you.
If you have a small neighborhood and you’re all like-minded, you could use reticulum over HaLow or LoRa network adapters to create a private, IP-less mesh and it could go as far as you can find more people willing to run the hardware. HaLow has enough bandwidth to stream video, LoRa is mostly only good for text. Of course, If someone is doing something like video, it won’t take much to saturate everyone’s connection. It’s not like someone could run a Plex server and everyone could be watching it in the neighborhood at the same time; that 30MBPS can only handle a couple of decent-quality streams.
The big problem with TCP IP is that it requires being assigned IP addresses and the border gateway protocol and other such infrastructure, which is not usable as an individual.
In Reticulum, you self-assign a destination address using your public and private keys and then announce that that service is available to the rest of the network through whatever connection you happen to have to the rest of the network.
Ok, that sounds brilliant! Thank you! :)
Yeah, it’s actually pretty badass.
I think once the user experience gets simplified down, Reticulum will be an amazing piece of technology. But right now, it’s just not very user-friendly with the user experience.
I can use it, and I bet you can use it, but I don’t know if my mom would be able to use it right now, as is.
I’m convinced. I’ll check it out. :)
When your current hardware fails and the only devices you are allowed to purchase anymore are walled garden tablets?
How will you communicate however you want then? Will Elon make a Tor client available on xAI cloud? Will Anthropic’s store have I2P?
Do you think Microsoft gives a FUCK about Meshtastic? Or Linux?
We dared to speak out against our overlords and now they are taking the toys away if we do not stop them.
If my current hardware failed and I had to go buy a tablet for some reason, I’d… yeah I’m out
(I have 13? 14 computers?)
If it comes to that point, there will still be ways to get software that gets around it. It might require a physical transfer from somebody, but they can’t ever cover 100% of the options. Black markets will always exist, and Anarchist or hacker groups would probably help you for free.
Better get to making the most of it.
Some of us bought our hard drives before OJ Simpleton got elected. Fill em up now or regret it later.
Ebooks, 100%. Information density first and foremost, then comics/manga, then movies and sure, some TV, a copy of wikipedia, linux isos and tools, more isos, more tools, a few containers and a virtual machine disk of your choice - went with Debian.
Future’s fucked. I do my part to donate to whoever I think will turn the tide anyway, but… have a plan B.