Is this a reverse psychology trick to convince people to pay for ChatGPT subscriptions?
If you have it through work you know what to do
Welp, just got fired for sending 18000 prompts to ChatGPT today.
I salute your sacrifice.
Rookie mistake. Send 18000 Codex prompts next time and they’ll hail you as a god amongst men
Totally not a bubble, honest guv!
I’d rather save earth
I dunno, man. I’ve blown $200 on worse things.
Then don’t use the internet because everything has Ai. Google has it, every browser has it installed, almost every shopping site automatically uses Ai results, the news feed on Google is all Ai results, the questions that are the most asked on Google are now Ai driven.
Main point of environmental destruction is using the LLM’s but nearly everything is using Ai and it’s hard to outrun it and a lot of things are making it hard to opt out and I wouldn’t put it past them to make it so they can make you pay to opt out of Ai in the future for a premium browser with the ability to disable Ai otherwise you’re stuck with it kind of thing.
I hate what it’s doing to the environment too but it’s not going away unless everyone in neighboring communities decided to bulldoze them and use their wrecking balls to destroy them. Emps aren’t hard to make happen.
If people wanted to destroy them they would. If people really didn’t want them they’d destroy them.
What bubble have you been living in? Almost none of my apps have any kind of AI… You can easily ditch it by using a Firefox fork, or any privacy Chromium fork, or even Chromium itself. Saying “Then don’t use the internet” is somewhat of a defeatist sentence, just stick to good websites/programs and you’re good.
I should’ve added a 🤪 to that because that was meant to be light not in a fuck off kind of way but more of a you gotta be kidding me this shit keeps expanding kind of way.
Oh
every browser has it installed
Not Waterfox!
Use Firefox without AI and don’t use google search engine
Nice try, OpenAI sales reps.
How much of our water, electricity, tax breaks, and public land does it use?
Yes!
Please do.
Use it all.
Bankrupt these shit companies and help burst the bubble
This is their strategy, they want people to use it, get hooked, replace parts of their day-to-day life with it, make it to difficult to “just go back”, then hit them with the actual bill.
They won’t go bankrupt unless their backers walk, and their backers are still quite confident in this strategy… because it’s working.
But no one is going to be able to afford a $14,000 subscription for slop.
No, but if you get that number in everyones heads, there is much less resistance to, say a 100 EUR a month increase.
Yes, but what good is that if 100 USD more is still losing tons of money.
“A $200 ChatGPT Pro 20x subscription could cost as much as $14,000 in API pricing if fully utilized.”
What is being said is that in a month time you can burn through $14,000 worth of tokens. It does not show that that comsumption would cost ChatGPT the full $14,000.
So what they are doing here is planting the idea that a $200 subscription is actually worth $14,000. Which makes if very easy for them to make people switch to tokens or just increase the price of your subscription without losing too many customers.
It is generally thought that official token price is breaking even, at best. Maybe it is not even doing that. The worth of the AI usage has nothing to do with those costs and is likely much lower. So far there is very little done on understanding actual value of AI use though.
I am not saying you are wrong, just that the above statement can be correct at the same time.
companies can
what does a human employee cost per month?
I’m thinking of getting a subscription and burning tokens out of spite.
Sounds like a trap. Big cruises are said to have buffets, but yet, they’re still floating.
Gov will bail them out and use our taxes to do it
But how much is the data you’re giving them worth? The other option is don’t give them your money or your data. The Qwen 3.6 MoE model with OpenCode is running pretty well on my RTX 4060 gaming laptop. According the Codacus YouTube channel, it even runs decently in as little as 6GB of VRAM.
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Fixed typo.
TBH local models aren’t as good as cloud. Even with 16GB VRAM you aren’t getting anywhere close to >100GB cloud LLM
No, it’s not quite as strong, and especially the initial prefill can take a bit. I also sometimes run into infinite thinking loops where I have to stop it and re-run my last prompt.
It’s surprising how close Qwen 3.6 gets on the benchmarks to Claude models, though. Especially when running locally with 200k context, I’ve found it’s good enough to be a daily driver. Despite the faults, it’s better than paying Anthropic $200 a month so they can rate limit me and collect my data.
I prefer to run with cheap pay-per-prompt cloud model. You can find really good open models that cost $0.50 per million tokens.
Not $14k lmao
No, but do you really want them collecting your data? Your prompts and anything else you share is helping them quite a lot.
That wasn’t the question that was asked.
Your data probably isn’t worth $14k to them in most cases, no. If you’re using it for legitimate purposes, though, still helping them by using their product and sharing your data with them. They’re getting data showing how a real human thinks and interacts with their system, and if you have it help you with any of your own IP that isn’t AI generated, you’re giving them something that is literally priceless.
“Literally priceless” that nobody would be willing to pay $14k for.
I have code for personal projects that solves problems in novel ways as well as other creative work that I don’t care to let Anthropic and OpenAI train their models on. Is my work worth $14k to them? Well, the value is intangible to me, and I can say at least that companies have paid me a lot more than that for code that took a similar amount of time to write. The major data sources for training LLMs like GitHub, Reddit, Wikipedia, etc. have already been tapped, but they always need more and more data. If you want to give them your data like it’s not worth anything, you do you, but they’re not getting mine. If I need LLMs for personal use, it’s local or nothing.
You keep trying to make this into something it’s not. All I have been saying is that the data is not worth $14k. You seem to want to make it about me being okay with them having access to my data. I never said that.
Just stop using it period, self hosted or not. Wtf is the thinking here?
It’s 100% bad in every case. It’s never good, is never been good, and it literally can’t become good. It’s bad no matter where it’s at, or who it’s being hosted by.
Just don’t use it for anything. At all. Nope, not even that.
I started out using GitHub Copilot at work because there was a lot of pressure to use AI, and I was put off by how we were churning through PRs that seemed to work, but having to go back and fix the slop afterwards.
Now I’ve realized that there are skillful ways and unskillful ways to use LLMs, and they can in fact be a useful tool beyond just generating slop. They don’t replace a human thinking critically, but they can automate mundane, routine tasks. They can also summarize text well and suggest options for humans to consider. For example, LLMs reviewing code will often find issues the human reviewers missed.
In addition to coding, I’ve recently been using Qwen locally for screenwriting. It can’t write worth a shit, but it does a good job critiquing my work and pointing out problems with the story structure and the like. For example, I can tell it something like “look at the 7 plot elements described in this MD file and point out where this story does and doesn’t follow this structure”, and the output is quite useful.
While LLMs aren’t the magical silver bullet the tech bros are hyping them up to be, they can still be a useful tool. If they’re just used to generate slop, then no, they’re worse than useless.
I’m horrrfied that an LLM is your writing coach.
It’s not my “coach” any more than random people online would be if I posted it in a forum somewhere and no more than a LLM or a human peer reviewing my code is my “coach”. It provides a different perspective to help me see beyond my own biases with feedback I can accept or reject.
Qwen has obviously been trained on writing books and a ton of screenplays. As an experiment, I changed the character names in a classic sitcom script and it was able to identify the series from the writing style and then it also identified the episode. It’s not useful for doing the actual writing, but it does provide useful feedback based on sophisticated statistical analysis of my work compared to its professionally-written training data.
Explain to me how it’s better than you learning to analyze your own work from a formulaic perspective?
Everytime you choose to use AI, you are choosing NOT to develop an ability of your own. Sometimes, that’s an ability that just tedious to use, other times it might be something you obviously need to do yourself, yet others the ability might be something with a tangential utility you haven’t recognized.
An analogy might be reading music exclusively. Great, now you can play a wide range of music–indisputably beneficial!–but the cost of developing your own ear.
I have read a lot of books and do analyze my work in terms of techniques and principles I’ve studied over the years. However, even top professional writers don’t work in a vacuum. TV writers, for example, have “the room” with a team of professional writers, producers, etc. weighing in on all writing decisions. For indies, you don’t have that luxury, and even getting another human who is good at writing to read what you wrote and share detailed feedback is hard, especially when said humans aren’t getting paid to do it full time. Asking friends and family to critique your writing will often result in them trying to spare your feelings, whereas Qwen will happily rip your work to shreds and not care if it just shit all over your passion project.
Do you have a flat rate sub to Qwen? I’m curious if you fed it something that you personally think is great writing that isn’t prominent training data, that you are intimately familiar with, and what you would make of its analysis?
My fear is two-fold: first, writing is communication between people with shared experiences. An LLM can’t really tell if someone’s going to have an emotional connection to your writing or why or what or how it works. Second, novelty and rule-breaking is highly context dependant. I’d be worried an LLM is merely steering me into probable lanes instead of allowing me to develop my own unique voice.
All the investors know it’s a massive money sink right now. The goal isn’t for “everyone” to get to use AI.
It’s to get so many people used to using AI that businesses like law offices and hospitals and other corporations so ingrained and built around having AI, while leaving so many graduating college students useless without AI, that businesses will be reliant upon it, no matter what costs of it they will have to absorb.
In five years there won’t be a $200 plan. There will be a $15,000 plan per person and businesses will pay it because they won’t be able to do well without it.
I think there may also a horizontal scheme as monopolies take on a global scale. Those businesses that sell in bankruptcy due to high tech costs could be gobbled up by the biggest AI-native competition. It’s a leap but maybe in a decade your optometrist is replaced by an ai kiosk with a remote technician?
Maybe then he would give me the prescription I paid for…
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Law offices, hospitals, and insurance companies are not going to set up their own servers, localize an AI, and upload all the custom data sets they need into a pre trained locally hosted model. Everyone could easily host their own cloud backup system as well, but no one does it.
But yes. That’s their plan. It’s been done multiple times before amongst things. It’s how busses eliminated trolleys, how ride share beat out taxis, and how Walmart sells the cheapest Coke. Amazon does it as well. It’s a variation of predatory pricing. It’s common as hell. Supposed to be illegal, but seldom does anyone get in trouble for it. Crooked government that works for the wealthy n all.
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Since when has stupid ever stopped anything?
Nice try, I still ain’t gonna pay. OpenAI can go bankrupt without burning my money
I wonder what companies that have integrated AI into all their workflows and processes are planning to do when the times comes to pay real price for the tokens.
spoiler
Nothing. They aren’t thinking ahead.
That’s the next CEOs problem to solve while the current one is enjoying his golden parachute and sailing around the world. Right now, number is going up!
Lindy, announced that the company moved 100% of its traffic to DeepSeek V4, switching entirely away from Anthropic’s models. DeepSeek V4 proved comparable to Claude Sonnet at a fraction of the cost
They move to a cheaper and shittier AI. The answer is unfortunately not that they re-evaluate human workers and create good employment opportunities
The companies don’t pay the price, they just pass it on to the consumer with a markup. Right now they just try stuff out to see what people really use AI for. Eventually the “AI features” will be cut back to the parts that really make them money, once they have to pay the real price.
Nah, they do what they always do: mass layoffs
The total I spent on AI is $0. How much AI can I get for that?
If you keep opening a new private tab and starting new conversations with chatgpt, your usage including uploads is free!
Also you can just switch to any other provider when you finish your free daily quota!!
I would prefer none, but there’s AI being forced on us everywhere these days.
Quite a bit if you actually wanted to use it. Opencode offers enough usage for free that you could create full apps from it lol, caveat being that their free plan usage is being used to train the models you use. But then everyone is probably doing it on their paid plans as well.
This is just Gym Economics though, right? They work on the assumption that only a small number of their member will actually use the service heavily, but the overwhelming majority will turn up to use the treadmill a few times then never visit again.
Ok but it would take 70 users paying $200 to cover the cost of $14,000. So if one person maxes out their usage, there needs to be 69 users who do not use their account at all but are still paying. And that’s just the break even point, still no profit for the AI company.
I’m struggling to believe that many people would pay that much and then underuse the subscription. It seems far more likely to me that this pricing model isn’t sustainable.
Even worse, that calculation is based on that their API pricing is currently providing a positive margin. From what I have seen and heard at this point, API pricing is at best breaking even.
For a consumer service, absolutely. That’s too much money for a household to ignore and they are actually paying attention.
For a business user? Quite possible. My company bought subscription to one of the providers for every single employee, no matter the role. A large number don’t use it at all (if they do anything, it’s using a chat that’s either free or included with something else), and most of the rest use it lightly. We have only a handful of folks trying to use it as much as possible. Companies frequently just buy for everyone instead of micromanaging who needs or doesn’t need a service.
I thought that Anthropic et al. were charging enterprise accounts based on token usage rather than just a flat subscription fee. That’s why you see things like this.
For example, Microsoft copilot has a monthly price with a token quota and a company can choose to just make it stop working when the quota is hit.
I think I recall other plans having at least the option of token quotas, because most companies don’t want to give employees a blank check for anything. I also believe that generally the token bill is on top of a fixed monthly cost too.
DEFINITELY NOT A BUBBLE EVERYBODY NOTHING TO SEE HERE
See gym and carwash memberships
Is there a carwash membership???
Yes if you want to ruin your car (assuming we’re talking about the brush type carwash). It wears down the clear coat if you do it a lot.
Yeppers. Sign up for a monthly subscription with your cc, and no real way to cancel! “Unlimited”* car washes, so why would you ever cancel? You’re gonna want a clean car
Well, I guess I’ll buy that subscription then
Just checked Api pricing: it’s 30USD for million output tokens. Heavy usage will absolutely go into hundreds of dollars of costs, input tokens are $5/1mil so if you input files and long context it’s going to get even more expensive, potentially upwards of $1000 per month.
