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The more logical reading is sensible indeed.
That does not mean other readings cannot exist at the same time.
Also, I wonder if they understand that by blockine they don’t really block me from seeing them – only themself from seeing me.
“social bubble”
Every person lives in a social bubble. You putting your in “hyphens” shows that you are just not aware of living in one. And that means that it has more effect on you than it has on people that are aware of them.
I’m guessing that even in Finland Dave Chapelle is more known that those people you mentioned.
Seriously. No, he is not. The reason is simply that he makes no shows in Finnish and we are tremendeously more able to get the full depth of jokes in Finnish than in English. Your “whole word” is just English-speaking countries. It is absolutely possible that the guy is known in England as well, but I don’t think more than 2 % of people in France or Germany or Netherlands or Italy know about him. Because he doesn’t have his shows in the local languages. Because he cannot.
We’ve got enough of very good standup comedians here. Someone in USA might be technically better but so much will be lost in translation that in the end we will be laughing more at our own standup comedians’ shows. Because we understand their nuances better. And it’s not even only about the language: There are plenty of small cultural aspects in USA that do not exist as such in Finland, and many references to them will be missed or misunderstood.
I like standup comedy a lot, and I would absolutely know if that guy was famous in Finland.
You said that.
Sorry, I assumed you had forgotten.
The problem is that you saying something with no actual basis doesn’t make it true, not in the least.
Well, you saying there is not basis when there is a basis is an argument. But a rather weak one.
People laughing at something doesn’t make it A) cruel/derisive or B) for whatever ridiculous made up reason you want to pull out of your ass.
It can make it, depending on what’s going on in the head of the person laughing. There are many ways to laugh at things. While in many manners you do give me an impression of a moron, in many ways you are not one. There is no reason to assume you are a hillbilly idiot. I do believe you would not laugh at me in a derisive manner if you saw my face. Many others do. And those people’s reactions to this joke image is what makes me feel afraid, not your reaction. And also not the intent of whoever made the image.
You’ve even got a problem with me assuming you knew one of the biggest comedians of all time?
I don’t think he can be one of the biggest comedians of all time if he is not known except in some specific region. I would know about him if he was as famous as it seems in your social bubble.
You still never gave a single reason that this joke would’ve hurt anyone, intentionally or not.
For accidentally omitting this, I am of course very sorry. So, here comes a reason:
The joke makes it look like there’s something funny or wrong with a woman’s face looking male to a lesser or bigger extent.
You just straight up made up intentions for a joke
If you go around inventing bad intent
Okay, here I can see we have a miscommunication. I have not communicated well enough if you have ended up thinking I find the intent of the joke bad. I see nothing wrong in its intent.
The only problem I have is with the result: With what the joke actually ends up being beside its intended meaning. As I said in that first comment of mine:
beside its main point
So, don’t worry, we probably think much more alike than you assume. The only problems about the joke are in what it accidentally conveys, because of thoughtlessness of the person who made it. I’m not blaming its intent. The intent is, actually, pure gold.
I assumed given the wild popularity of the guy you already were aware and probably already saw at least parts of the segments in question.
We are probably from different regions. This was the first time I ever heard of the comedian’s name. Over here, for example Ismo Leikola and Sami Hedberg wildly popular comedians. I’ve got the same reason to assume you know one of them as you do that I know Chappelle. Different comedians have gigs in different places. You really shouldn’t assume a random person on the Internet knows someone merely because that person is popular in your social bubble.
You’re automatically assuming funny indicates wrong.
Well, either wrong or being the butt of the joke. Yes. Punching down is considered wrong. So yes, a funny thing where you punch down is a wrong thing.
because a lot of transphobes exist, it’s possible for a joke involving the concept of gender looks could be based on derision. Does not mean it is though.
Yes. And because of this, a joke involving the concept of gender gets interpreted as being based on derision by a certain part of the audience. And that means they will interpret it as “trans people are to be ridiculed”. It does not matter what the sender of a message meant to say with it. What matters is how it gets interpreted by the audience. The joke was not meant to create anti-trans sentiment. It does create anti-trans sentiment in some of its viewers.
Since a sizable part of the viewers will interpret derision in it, and therefore increase their chance of attacking me, it is a thoughtless joke. Even if something whole different was meant with it.
Regarding Chappelle… I don’t think I’m going to search for videos of a person making jokes that would feel bad for me to watch, sorry. You’ll have to live with me not checking his videos out. But if he’s an ass, may he please rot.
Surely more like PieFed/Lemmy. Just like mBin currently is. It’s easy to integrate microblog toots in a UI like that of PieFed, but much more difficult to integrate nested threaded discussions in the style of Forumverse into an UI like that of Mastodon.
Maybe an upgraded mBin is what I’d prefer?
I’d like to have a platform that can read as many different Fediverse platforms as possible. The three main Forumverse platforms can interact with Pixelfed and Mastodon and whatnot, but that could be made work a bit better still. This is merely a matter of development resources. There are platforms that can do what I wish for, but all of them have their cons:
So, give me a platform that supports as many different Fediverse platforms at once as possible, and does that so that any new features of any platforms will be supported within two months of them having appeared on some platform. And give that a simple clean UI that allows me to blend microblog toots and Forumverse posts in one unified feed. I believe that would get a lot of people to move from Fecesbook to the Fediverse. And that would make the world a tad bit more democratic.
(And for any devs: I know I’m asking for much here! What I’d like to see would take an incredible amount of programming resources. Especially the part where I’d wish for any new features invented by devs of other platforms to be implemented only a couple months after their original appearance elsewhere. But, this is a post about what would be ideal, not so much about what would be realistically possible. But maaaaybe, maybe if a more inviting attitude to attracting as many new capable programmers as possible would be used on some platform, something like what I dream of could become reality? You’d need a core group deciding what gets implemented and a very large group of mindless programmer monkeys and graphical design monkeys who would do the actual work of turning the ideas into reality. Now all main platforms - PieFed, Lemmy, mBin and Mastodon - are programmed by closed inner circles that want everyone to have a good grasp of the whole project, instead of anyone actively searching for any new capable hands to delegate parts of the programming to.
I was in a hospital for a few days when I was 8-year-old. I was not allowed to leave my bed. But they had a kind of a moveable shelf with a TV and NES on it.
And therefore, to this day, I’ve got the Bubble Bobble music as an earworm. A kind of an awakening, right? 🙃
It makes it look like there’s something funny or wrong with a woman’s face looking male to a lesser or bigger extent.
Ridiculing a cis person for looking a bit like the opposite sex causes people to ridicule trans people as well.
I don’t like the joke because it makes my life more dangerous. It steers the society in a direction that increases my risk to be beaten up or murdered.
And yes, here the joke is about unambiguity regarding what the gender of the person is. If there was a joke where the funny part is that someone is wearing a wig (here the wig is a tool for reaching the “funny” look, not the funny thing as for itself), then it would indeed endanger the well-being of every person wearing a wig. This joke here does nothing to ridicule the concept of wearing a wig. But it does ridicule the concept of a woman looking male. It’s saying “this person looks trans. How funny!”
I look trans. Why is it funny to you that I look trans?
How does this image not convey an anti-trans message beside its main point?
How come?
A block allows the tankies to see the normal person’s comments and to reply to they. The only effect of a block is that you won’t know someone has replied to your comment and can badmouth you freely. So yeah, regarding blocks you are right.
But a defederation works differently. Users of a defederated instance do not see the comments on the otger side of the breakage at all, and therefore cannot troll under them either. If your instance fully defederates from the trolls, you really do get a better experience. There’s no need for everyone to defederate for defederation to benefit the instance’s users.
Recommend some instance that defederates the Tankie Triad. Problem solved?
And beside that, maybe choose an instance that is running PieFed, PyLova or mBin?
Why are you writing tankie in quotes?
One of my first experiences in the Fediverse was mentioning the Uyghur genocide and having my comment promptly removed by the .ml admins. They’ve been doing this all the time.
I worked for the railways, in commuter trains. My job was to harass innocent passengers by walking back and forth and enabling them to buy a ticket should they need one. And at certain routes also check the tickets of every new passenger.
It was nice using a dialect from eastern Finland, the Savo dialect for that. It has a tendency to change plain vowels for diphtongs. It adds a kind of a “wee-wow” twang to the language. For example the word for “closet” is “kaappi” in standard Finnish, “kuappi” in the dialect spoken in Savo. The “aa” is just a long “a”, sound. Pretty much the same as the “a” in the English word “car”. And “ua” is pretty much like “oi” in “choir”. Imagine pronouncing the word “car” with the “a” replaced with the “oi” sound of “choir” and you might get an idea of how that crazy dialect likes to mangle every damn word. And the “ar” in “garlic” would be pronounced with the same change as well. Etc.
And maybe at this point it’s worth mentioning that I still had a fully male gender expression at that point.
So, we have just left the station of Haarajoki. In the Savo dialect that would be “Huaarajokj”.
I enter the part of the wagon through its end door. I start shouting “Haarajoki passengers, tickets please!”, but. But.
As it happens, “huaara” is how they would pronounce also the word “huora” over in Savo. And that happens to mean “whore”. Luckily I noticed. So, I managed to stop myself from uttering anything further. Unfortunately, I only managed to stop after having already said the first half of that word, “huaarajokj”: Yes, “huaara”.
In other words, I entered the passenger wagon through the end door in the railway worker’s uniform, immediately bellowing “WHORE!”, and then shutting up.
Definitely an “oh shit” moment!
After that:
Me: “Hm. This station is not terribly compatible with the Savo dialect, apparently.”
A female passenger: “You should have continued to the end, would have gone much less badly”.
Me: “Yup!”
Who is this being?
If you start feeling that everyone is a crazy tankie, switch to an instance that has defederated from the Tankie Triad.
I disagree with this sentiment, mostly. My own experience is of course that almost everyone has at least some level of transphobia, but I don’t think that’s meant here. And most importantly: I do not think TrickDacy is a transphobe – at least not in any sense that is relevant for this discussion. They have a blind spot where they forget that a joke can be misinterpreted by its viewers, and maybe a little lack of empathy for ignoring that I felt scared by the image’s joke, but it would be unfair calling them a transphobe. Their words did hurt, but not everything that hurts is transphobia.