Members of the Democratic Socialists of America are thinking seriously about a national presidential campaign for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in 2028 that would reach millions of working people and have the potential to transform American politics.
Red Star, whose member Megan Romer is one of DSA’s two national cochairs, has expressed “serious doubts” about throwing its weight behind her, citing a lack of “political and practical alignment with DSA.” Marxist Unity Group and Springs of Revolution have questioned moves toward an early endorsement and stressed the importance of holding socialist elected officials accountable. Liberation, a much smaller Maoist caucus, has rejected the idea of making her the standard-bearer of the socialist movement.
Well, those people are fucking idiots…
Luckily no organization is going to be able to just name a candidate.
Whoever it eventually is, will have to win a full 50 state primary. And even if the DSA is outspokenly against her (or any other progressive) it just won’t fucking matter.
Progressive policy is what’s popular and what voters are eager to flock to. Not fucking Maoism.
No one wants Maoism, and the people ignorant enough to think they do, shouldn’t be listened to under any circumstances, they don’t even know what terms they’re using mean, or even worse they do and actually want Maoism…
Holding that “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”,[38] Maoism emphasises the “revolutionary struggle of the vast majority of people against the exploiting classes and their state structures”, which Mao termed a people’s war. Mobilising large parts of rural populations to revolt against established institutions by engaging in guerrilla warfare, Maoist Thought focuses on “surrounding the cities from the countryside”.
Maoism views the industrial-rural divide as a major division exploited by capitalism, identifying capitalism as involving industrial urban developed First World societies ruling over rural developing Third World societies.[39] Maoism identifies peasant insurgencies in particular national contexts as part of a context of world revolution, in which Maoism views the global countryside as overwhelming the global cities.[40] Due to this imperialism by the capitalist urban First World toward the rural Third World, Maoism has endorsed national liberation movements in the Third World.[40]
It would literally be a bunch of MAGA storming cities and killing anyone that has an education, Jan 6th on a national scale, with plenty of public executions, just like under Mao.
The fuck is the DSA doing letting self identified Maoists into their tent?
What’s crazy is there’s 31 different flavors of communism that doesn’t require unquestioning loyalty to a supreme leader, and tankies can all just easily choose to support any of them.
Keep every last good thing they claim to support, and just ditch the roving gangs of murderers and literal tanks crushing anyone that doesn’t 100% agree with them…
But they won’t, because the lust for violence is why they’re tankies in the first place, instead of any of the rational flavors of communism. They’re not tankies for the communism, it’s just a path to acceptable violence against an out group
They’re not tankies for the communism, it’s just a path to acceptable violence against an out group
Ironically this can be applied to a lot of your common folk fash supporters too. Some people just want to watch the world burn and don’t really care what path they have to take to get us there.
There’s less than 1,000 billionaires in america, and they control over $8,100,000,000,000…
They don’t need to be murdered though, you don’t get to be a billionaire without commiting enough crimes to be jailed for life. It’s just our legal system is a joke and they have more resources than the government.
Seize their resources
Prosecute them and give them a court appointed attorney
Nothing, we literally have to do nothing after that.
No roving gangs, no guillotines, throw them in the same ocean they throw us.
Completely ethical and moral, and that shit matters. Because how you start a new society influences it the entire time it exists.
Once their wealth is gone, all the underlings will be scrambling to turn states evidence, no one hates billionaires more than the people who have latched onto them to siphon off wealth. The ones who actually have to interact with them, clean up messes, and know where both literal and figurative bodies are buried.
The only thing that puts billionaires out of reach of consequences is their billions we just have to remove that and let nature do the rest
Its the first step of your plan that is really the sticking point. They really don’t like doing that. And they have a lot of ways of avoiding it and harming those who tried. I love the way you frame it all but there is no way that that is going to happen peacefully. They would pay for roving gangs themselves to stoke fear long before they allowed it.
Right so then there will be some murder, as I said. You can’t just ask them politely for their money. Even if you show up and demand it with guns, they will have guns of their own, and will shoot back.
If they resist with violence, and we have to respond with violence.
That’s more criminal charges against them
You’re still operating under the premise that the billionaires are always right.
If we’re seizing our stolen wealth back from them, there’s no violence unless they start it. If they fight hard enough they die…
That’s not murder, it’s just not.
Stop fucking acting like the clock starts with us taking the money back, they’re hoarding stolen wealth, if they raise the stakes to violence to keep it, that’s the same as a bank robber shooting at cops.
They’re committing more crimes to keep their stolen wealth
Semi-relatedly: I don’t have personal experience in the DSA, but a friend heavily into political party activism gave up going to DSA meetings because the leadership and structure was completely disorganized, ineffectual and instead concerned with infighting and power-struggles. It did not seem like an organization built to run a successful presidential campaign.
So reading statements like this seems in line with those stories. If they’re ready to preliminarily sabotage their best candidate for failing to be a specific flavor of faction, they clearly are not going to be productive at election time.
AOC, however, seems like a great candidate and one that would run a great campaign with the resources and organization of the Democratic party (assuming the traditional neoliberal factions remain not in charge).
The thing is, there’s “national DSA” they’re the ones who didn’t endorse AOC and are apparently full of Maoists…
Then there’s a shit ton of “local” DSA’s, and the one in NYC kept endorsing her.
The national seems to want to latch onto to the popularity of anyone remotely socialist, and then if that politician doesn’t do everything the Maoists want, they try to co-opt their popularity and throw them under the bus.
Anyways, that’s how you end up with “the DSA” doing great things, and doing absolutely mindless shit like telling people AOC is conservative and people shouldn’t vote.
It’s not one solid organization. And large parts of it are run by idiots
All of the groups mentioned in your quote from the article are opposing AOC because of her stance on Palestine not being strong enough. It has nothing to do with her “not being maoist enough”.
A ceasefire in Gaza is extremely popular among the electorate, so this stance is pretty solid according to your “flock to progressive ideals” argument. Linking to the wikipedia page on Maoism to make your point here makes absolutely no sense. Especially considering the liberation maoists are stated as being “a much smaller maoist caucus [within the DSA]” right there.
If you want to make an argument that there should be no hesitation in endorsing her despite her support for the iron dome and support for Biden/Harris with them “working tirelessly” behind the scenes on a ceasefire, be my guest.
In 1978 the CCP split from Maoists, because the Maoists were too extreme
Do you have any idea how many people died because of Maoism?
Jung Chang and Jon Halliday contend that implementation of Maoist thought in China was responsible for as many as 70 million deaths during peacetime,[118] with the Cultural Revolution, the Anti-Rightist Campaign of 1957–1958,[119] and the Great Leap Forward. Active campaigns, including party purges and “reeducation”, resulted in imprisonment or the execution of those deemed contrary to the implementation of Maoist ideals.[120] Some historians have argued that because of Mao’s land reforms during the Great Leap Forward which resulted in famines, thirty million perished between 1958 and 1961. By the end of 1961, the birth rate was nearly cut in half because of malnutrition
In 1978 the CCP split from Maoists, because the Maoists were too extreme
And because of it, I get to hear you lot constantly whining about how China is bad because it has billionaires. Well, guess what the ones who didn’t want reforms to allow billionaires were called 🙄
I am not a Maoist, and I’m critical of them, however, Maoists do not believe in directly copying every policy Mao ever did. The more relevant movement to look at is the Black Panthers, who were Maoists, and who American Maoists are more likely inspired by than Mao himself.
Luckily no organization is going to be able to just name a candidate.
Whoever it eventually is, will have to win a full 50 state primary. And even if the DSA is outspokenly against her (or any other progressive) it just won’t fucking matter.
Uh that’s not how that works. Any candidate needs people to organize and get out the vote for them, and for a leftwing candidate those tend to disproportionately come from the hard left. This means that for someone like AOC, the DSA might not be essential but it’s really nice to have.
Well, those people are fucking idiots…
Luckily no organization is going to be able to just name a candidate.
Whoever it eventually is, will have to win a full 50 state primary. And even if the DSA is outspokenly against her (or any other progressive) it just won’t fucking matter.
Progressive policy is what’s popular and what voters are eager to flock to. Not fucking Maoism.
No one wants Maoism, and the people ignorant enough to think they do, shouldn’t be listened to under any circumstances, they don’t even know what terms they’re using mean, or even worse they do and actually want Maoism…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism#Components
It would literally be a bunch of MAGA storming cities and killing anyone that has an education, Jan 6th on a national scale, with plenty of public executions, just like under Mao.
The fuck is the DSA doing letting self identified Maoists into their tent?
Tankies always roll over their feet
What’s crazy is there’s 31 different flavors of communism that doesn’t require unquestioning loyalty to a supreme leader, and tankies can all just easily choose to support any of them.
Keep every last good thing they claim to support, and just ditch the roving gangs of murderers and literal tanks crushing anyone that doesn’t 100% agree with them…
But they won’t, because the lust for violence is why they’re tankies in the first place, instead of any of the rational flavors of communism. They’re not tankies for the communism, it’s just a path to acceptable violence against an out group
Ironically this can be applied to a lot of your common folk fash supporters too. Some people just want to watch the world burn and don’t really care what path they have to take to get us there.
I agree but can we still have a little murder? As a treat? There are a few people that…well…
There’s less than 1,000 billionaires in america, and they control over $8,100,000,000,000…
They don’t need to be murdered though, you don’t get to be a billionaire without commiting enough crimes to be jailed for life. It’s just our legal system is a joke and they have more resources than the government.
Seize their resources
Prosecute them and give them a court appointed attorney
Nothing, we literally have to do nothing after that.
No roving gangs, no guillotines, throw them in the same ocean they throw us.
Completely ethical and moral, and that shit matters. Because how you start a new society influences it the entire time it exists.
Once their wealth is gone, all the underlings will be scrambling to turn states evidence, no one hates billionaires more than the people who have latched onto them to siphon off wealth. The ones who actually have to interact with them, clean up messes, and know where both literal and figurative bodies are buried.
The only thing that puts billionaires out of reach of consequences is their billions we just have to remove that and let nature do the rest
Its the first step of your plan that is really the sticking point. They really don’t like doing that. And they have a lot of ways of avoiding it and harming those who tried. I love the way you frame it all but there is no way that that is going to happen peacefully. They would pay for roving gangs themselves to stoke fear long before they allowed it.
I don’t think you understand how numbers work…
There’s less than 1,000 billionaires, there’s like 330,000,000 Americans
That’s 1 billionaire against 330,000 Americans…
Do you have any idea how many guns 330,000 random Americans have?
Right so then there will be some murder, as I said. You can’t just ask them politely for their money. Even if you show up and demand it with guns, they will have guns of their own, and will shoot back.
I’m about to give up on you understanding this…
We seize their money.
If they resist with violence, and we have to respond with violence.
That’s more criminal charges against them
You’re still operating under the premise that the billionaires are always right.
If we’re seizing our stolen wealth back from them, there’s no violence unless they start it. If they fight hard enough they die…
That’s not murder, it’s just not.
Stop fucking acting like the clock starts with us taking the money back, they’re hoarding stolen wealth, if they raise the stakes to violence to keep it, that’s the same as a bank robber shooting at cops.
They’re committing more crimes to keep their stolen wealth
What don’t you understand?
Semi-relatedly: I don’t have personal experience in the DSA, but a friend heavily into political party activism gave up going to DSA meetings because the leadership and structure was completely disorganized, ineffectual and instead concerned with infighting and power-struggles. It did not seem like an organization built to run a successful presidential campaign.
So reading statements like this seems in line with those stories. If they’re ready to preliminarily sabotage their best candidate for failing to be a specific flavor of faction, they clearly are not going to be productive at election time.
AOC, however, seems like a great candidate and one that would run a great campaign with the resources and organization of the Democratic party (assuming the traditional neoliberal factions remain not in charge).
The thing is, there’s “national DSA” they’re the ones who didn’t endorse AOC and are apparently full of Maoists…
Then there’s a shit ton of “local” DSA’s, and the one in NYC kept endorsing her.
The national seems to want to latch onto to the popularity of anyone remotely socialist, and then if that politician doesn’t do everything the Maoists want, they try to co-opt their popularity and throw them under the bus.
Anyways, that’s how you end up with “the DSA” doing great things, and doing absolutely mindless shit like telling people AOC is conservative and people shouldn’t vote.
It’s not one solid organization. And large parts of it are run by idiots
Sounds like it’s ripe for being taken over.
All of the groups mentioned in your quote from the article are opposing AOC because of her stance on Palestine not being strong enough. It has nothing to do with her “not being maoist enough”.
A ceasefire in Gaza is extremely popular among the electorate, so this stance is pretty solid according to your “flock to progressive ideals” argument. Linking to the wikipedia page on Maoism to make your point here makes absolutely no sense. Especially considering the liberation maoists are stated as being “a much smaller maoist caucus [within the DSA]” right there.
If you want to make an argument that there should be no hesitation in endorsing her despite her support for the iron dome and support for Biden/Harris with them “working tirelessly” behind the scenes on a ceasefire, be my guest.
They’re being in solidarity with the left. Which we should all do.
Buddy…
In 1978 the CCP split from Maoists, because the Maoists were too extreme
Do you have any idea how many people died because of Maoism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism#Criticism_and_implementation
Seriously, do you have any idea what Maoism actually is?
They’re authoritarians. That’s not “the left”.
And because of it, I get to hear you lot constantly whining about how China is bad because it has billionaires. Well, guess what the ones who didn’t want reforms to allow billionaires were called 🙄
I am not a Maoist, and I’m critical of them, however, Maoists do not believe in directly copying every policy Mao ever did. The more relevant movement to look at is the Black Panthers, who were Maoists, and who American Maoists are more likely inspired by than Mao himself.
Most “Maoists” have literally no idea what Maoism is.
Uh that’s not how that works. Any candidate needs people to organize and get out the vote for them, and for a leftwing candidate those tend to disproportionately come from the hard left. This means that for someone like AOC, the DSA might not be essential but it’s really nice to have.
We’re who got her elected in 18 - NYC DSA was the foot power
Holy fuck go back to Reddit
You’re telling the only person in this thread with a brain to go back to reddit?
We must have the echo chamber properly resonant