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      What’s interesting about them, and by interesting, I mean batshit stupid, is that they’ll be happy to take the credit in discussions about how non-voting sends a message to the establishment parties, but they become instant victims the moment the conversation becomes about how they helped trump to the throne.

      And here’s where it gets funny:

      All the credit; none of the blame. Who does that remind you of?

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          It’s no end of insanity to see this shit every day. And the fact that they think no one notices this is just embarrassing for them.

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            This is a nice echo chamber you guys got here where you made up a popular position and ridiculed it

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                    I’ve lost people to Biden’s genocide while he let police attack students at peaceful sit ins and had reporters dragged out of the press room in cuffs for asking questions and I will not have a braindead liberal tell me I should have voted for KH who said she’d do nothing different and campaigned on “most lethal military” and thanked Dick Satan Chaney for his service to “stop fascism”.

                    The democrats are a fascist capitalist party, they’ve already openly abandoned trans people, and you’ll yell at them next for not voting for their own slaughter.

                    You don’t put up a viable candidate, we have no obligation to vote for someone promising to kill our loved ones instead of someone promising to kill yours. We offered to come together and vote for a viable candidate and you told us “WHAT YOU WANT TRUMP?”

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              It’s actually not made up. I’ve argued with many people who did that exact same thing. Go vote, loser, this is your fault if you didn’t

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        All the credit; none of the blame. Who does that remind you of?

        CEOs and other corporate heads. “Privatize the gains, socialize the losses.”

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      Yup.

      Not voting is condoning whatever happens, good or bad. If you stayed home, you rubberstamped all of what’s happening.

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        The most moral Voters™️ in the world, they wouldn’t hurt a fly!

        Unless it was on the ballot, of course.

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        I’ve heard that the Purity Ponies are much like Kim Jong-un - they are so perfect, they don’t even need to relieve themselves!

        Such magical beings. We could all aspire to be like them.

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      America isn’t this way because of Trump. Trump is this way because of America.

      Trump isn’t the hero America needs, but he’s the one America deserves. It’s just a shame the rest of the world has to suffer because of American ignorance, entitlement and apathy.

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        Then why are the grand majority disapproving of him? His latest polls show 31-33% approval.

        You people know nothing of what’s going on here. You just espouse subjective rhetoric that Trump himself and the GOP loves to read.

        What could be better than natural allies across borders unifying? Division is Trump’s goal, and we can all see that clear as day. You’re an accomplice to these evil people if your here to create the same results, perhaps even a “useful idiot”.

        Rethink your actions and words, lest you be exactly what I suspect you to be: a blatent propagandist targeting the western world.

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          Fascism is imperialism turned inwards. All this shit we’ve been doing to other countries (and foreign policy is consistently bipartisan) is now coming back to us.

          It doesn’t matter if the majority disapprove, Trump doesn’t represent the things done in the US’ brightest moments, he is the culminatiom and the product of the shadows. The nepobaby of a filthy rich, white supremacist mega-landlord in NY, shaped by reality TV that glamorized the most antisocial parts of human behavior, the product of no consequences for rich people despite fucking over THOUSANDS of contactors, employees, and businesses. I could go on about Epstein, Daniels, etc.

          Are you surprised this empire doesn’t show off its dark underbelly proudly?

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          So what are the 67% - 69% actually doing about it? Waiting for the fascists to run a fair election and honor the results?

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      This is what you’re achieving by braindead infighting.

      They spent decades and trillions of dollars on making sure Americans can’t unite. Looks like the investment paid off.

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        While I agree with the sentiment, protest non-voting is already tantamount to infighting. This comment is just pointing fingers to set blame on another, which is stupid. But at the same time, calling for protest non-voters to unify with the rest of us should be the goal. That is the opposite of infighting. That’s not exactly what OP was doing, but that is the remedy.

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          That’s not exactly what OP was doing, but that is the remedy.

          No. They were pointing fingers at, shaming the other side, and/or blaming it for the problems.

          There’s nothing whatsoever about unity in that message, and that’s the problem.

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          Welcome to Lemmy, this place is a fuckin trip. Wait till you hear the LLml bots tell you that North Korea is actually a good actually for really real socialist state. You’d think it’s a circus what with it being filled to the fuckin brim with clowns.

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          Me: stop infighting.

          You: absolutely not. I hate people who slightly disagree with me more than the elites. (Or whatever that was.)

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            For someone who is allegedly concerned with unification, your ad hominem sure is shittier than the one you were responding to.

            Leave the stewardship of your cause to people who are actually good at it. Unless that was the point, in which case, carry on.

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        It’s not infighting, neo-liberals are conservatives, they’re not the left as they’re portrayed to be in news and media. The gulf of ideology between a leftist and neo-liberal is huge.

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          “it’s your fault that you didn’t vote for us to kill your loved ones, what idiots, you deserve them killing your loved ones”

          Braindead liberals.

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            They have a rot in their brain that if you’re not voting for them you’re voting for the other guy because somehow that’s how voting works. Despite the fact that the majority of the USA voting does not matter because of how the voting system is presently setup. I can vote Democrat until I explode but it won’t make a difference I’m deep in MAGA state.

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        I don’t unite with dipshits that shame their democracy and the people that died for it by not voting. They are stupid and I don’t associate with stupid people.

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          This is easily the most braindead comment I’ve read this week, but I’ll still associate with you, because you’re not the one to blame for being brainwashed and/or receiving no education.

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        Of course not. They’re rebels using apathy, and they’re comfortable because there are no consequences. “You can’t pin that on me, I didn’t vote.”

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      You might want to check that election data again because Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.” If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame the party leaders who put their thumb on the scale to foist the absolute worst possible candidates on us three presidential elections in a row. This is the result of those party leaders trying to straddle the line of serving the same corporate donors that Republicans do while pretending to stand for "the people "

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        Aside from Kamala, the others had primaries. Primaries historically have 10% voter turnout. Blame the people that don’t vote in primaries then bitch about bad candidates.

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          It is that easy! It’s not like progressives and leftists are sandbagged by the “vote blue no matter who” Dems right?

          https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128

          It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right? Vote in the primaries, it’s that easy

          They wouldn’t sabotage PROGRESSIVES to help REPUBLICANS AND CENTRISTS if you voted in the primaries “The DCCC released opposition research against progressive candidate Laura Moser in Texas and pressured progressive challengers out of races in Colorado, Pennsylvania, and California to support centrist or well-funded establishment candidates.” https://inthesetimes.com/features/dccc_left_progressive_challengers_laura_moser_campaign_finance.html

          “In Nebraska’s 2nd District, the DCCC lent a hand to Brad Ashford—a former Republican who favors abortion restrictions—at the expense of his more progressive primary challenger Kara Eastman, who supports reproductive rights, Medicare for All and other progressive policies. Over in Virginia’s 2nd, the DCCC swung in early behind businesswoman Elaine Luria, a military veteran who twice voted for her Republican opponent, over Karen Mallard, a union member who supports a $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare.”

          Same source as above and there way more.

          So it seems pretty simple, Dems can tell anyone they want to fuck off (except fellow centrists and Republicans), while the rest of us are automatically MAGA if we don’t support “blue no matter who” despite constant opposition and disdain from a party that hates us because they are RIGHT WING

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            Yeah these people are just blind party loyalists who would gladly watch the world burn just so long as they feel like they got a ‘win’ out of it. That’s why they’re willing to nonsensically blame everyone except those controlling the levers for how the levers are being controlled.

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            It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right?

            Bernie lost the popular vote in the primaries both times. Voters didn’t show up for him.

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              Wrong and conveniently ignored everything else.

              20,000 emails from seven senior DNC officials, including Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz disagrees with you. The correspondence revealed that party leadership privately favored Hillary Clinton and discussed strategies to undermine Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, such as questioning his religious faith and dismissing his campaign manager Jeff Weaver as a “liar.”

              https://www.reuters.com/article/world/democratic-national-committee-apologizes-to-sanders-over-emails-idUSKCN1052BN/

              They admitted it was sabotage and formally apologized. The disclaimer that the emails didn’t “reflect the views of the DNC” is hard to swallow since it was 20,000 emails from leadership.

              the Obama White House and Senate leadership, coordinated to suppress Sanders to prevent him from facing Donald Trump. Allegations include limiting debate appearances, media blackouts, and the strategic withdrawal of rival candidates to consolidate votes behind Joe Biden in 2020. Elizabeth Warren and former DNC Chair Donna Brazile have acknowledged the 2016 primary was “rigged” against Sanders.

              https://time.com/4362402/how-president-obama-will-pressure-bernie-sanders/

              Examples of the DNC / party establishment opposing progressive candidates in elections:

              The DCCC blacklisted any consultant who worked with progressive candidates. Marie Newman lost four consultants within a month.

              1. DSCC / Senate Majority PAC 2020 Primaries Spent $15M+ to help moderate candidates defeat progressive primary challengers.

              2. Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown (OH-11, 2020) Biden and Clyburn intervened to back corporate-friendly Brown over progressive Turner, with help from a pro-Israel super PAC.

              3. Jessica Cisneros vs. Henry Cuellar (TX-28, 2022) Pelosi, Clyburn, and other House leaders backed Cuellar (under FBI investigation) over progressive challenger Cisneros. AOC called it “an utter failure of leadership.”

              4. DCCC Endorses Bains over Villegas (CA-22, 2026) DCCC endorsed centrist Bains over progressive Villegas. The Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC called it “undemocratic.”

              5. Michigan Senate Primary (2026) Establishment-backed Haley Stevens vs. progressive Abdul El-Sayed drew $58.6M in super PAC spending, mostly against El-Sayed. AOC personally transferred $1M to help. Pressley called the DSCC’s spending “shameful.”

              6. Colorado Primary (2026) National Democrats injected $2.4M via super PACs against progressive challenger Kiros to protect incumbent DeGette.

              7. DCCC Spending Disparity (2018) DCCC spent $340K on progressive Rob Quist (MT) vs. millions for centrist John Ossoff (GA). A DCCC-commissioned report discouraged members from campaigning on Medicare for All.

              8. Team Blue PAC (2022) Hakeem Jeffries co-founded an explicitly anti-progressive PAC to protect establishment incumbents.

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                The argument is always the same, it comes down to “he lost, get over it.” For a voting bloc that’s supposedly not desired or wanted at the polls, they sure demand we show up to the poll for their “lesser evil” and “harm reduction.”

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              Delegate voters are who matter, and the “super delegates.” Not popular vote and of course you’re ignoring the fact they hamstrung his campaign otherwise it doesn’t fit your narrative.

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                Except he still lost the popular vote too, overwhelmingly, because progressives don’t vote in primaries. With no DNC shenanigans he still loses handily, BECAUSE PROGRESSIVES DON’T FUCKING VOTE IN PRIMARIES.

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                  Much like in the general election for President, POPULAR VOTES DON’T MATTER WITH THE DNC. It comes down to getting either a winning amount of the delegates or the “super delegates.”

                  And let’s try addressing the elephant in the room now, why would the DNC go to such means to ensure Bernie Sanders doesn’t win the nomination?

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              Because “you protest voters refused to vote for him and handed the election to Trump” right? Or does that only apply when you need to absolve the people running the party from responsibility for their actions?

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              They will never understand this simple fact. There either weren’t enough Bernie supporters in the first place or far too many stayed home for the primary. And very nearly every Bernie voter in the primary went for Hillary in the general. There wasn’t a conspiracy, progressives just don’t vote. If they did, we’d have a progressive democratic party.

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        I blame the fact that they stole that election and bragged about it openly while people pretend that didn’t happen.

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        Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.”

        This, in no way, makes me hate non-voters any less. A drunk driver that happens to make it home without slaughtering someone is still a fucking drunk driving piece of shit.

        This also goes for people that voted for 3rd party candidates with ZERO path to victory.

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          To me, you don’t sound any different than a Republican sycophant who puts party over everything and still supports Trump. You’re literally blaming everyone except for the people running the party who picked the losing candidate, the losing candidate, and the people running her losing campaign. In your eyes, only the party is right and everyone else is wrong. This was nearly the third time in a row they tried this losing strategy and lost, but go on and keep telling us how right they are/were.

          Harris also had zero path to victory, and yet here you are acting self-righteous like your choice was the correct one even though it gave Trump the win. To use your own analogy, you are the drunk driver who totaled your car in 2016 and 2024, but narrowly made it home once in 2020 so you want to convince us that you’re “good to drive.”

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      Optimist of you to think votes had anything to do with putting trump back in the white house and giving congress away to the conservatives.