I think you’re far too optimistic. There very much are central nodes: DNS registrars, ISPs and data-centers. The prerequisites for participating have increased. Domestic Australian providers now require copies of government-issued IDs (copies which then make their way into America’s private-intelligence spinoffs like Palantir, because it’s these spinoffs that are selling verification services). The West is expanding its capability to surveil domestic and foreign populations. To participate on the open-internet is to identify yourself, provide documentation and have government- or private-databases verify your identity and to pay perpetual gratuity rents.
A thousand virtual-servers hosted on Microsoft’s or Amazon’s computers. That’s the reality. It already feels as if Cloudfare is MITMing everyone. The internet has become more centralized than it was and that’s a trend that will continue.
It seems to me absurd that the majority of a developed-nation’s citizens carry around pocket-computers that are connected to the internet 24/7/365 yet none of them are allowed to host a blog on their computers (pocket or otherwise). (The reality is your mobile-computer is forbidden by economic-rent-seekers from talking to another mobile-computer even though they may both be in the same room; they force your data to transit over their infrastructure and gate-keep it so that the other mobile-computer is forced also into paying rent so that it can retrieve your data from the economic-rent-seeking entity [that may be located in another country; so that message you sent to a friend may travel half-way across the world even though their computer is three meters apart from yours! What a farce!].) Consumers are behind CGNATs and are barred from hosting by default. I was optimistic about IPv6–everyone could have a unique public-IPv6-address. The market for static IPv4s should have collapsed. It’s still here. It’s still demanding perpetual rents.
I’m an advocate of OpenNIC–a domain should not require a perpetual rent be paid to a registrar. The foundation’s of the internet are centralised. To seek and agitate for de-centralisation is correct, but it’s counter-productive to redeploy the same centralised software that got us to this point we want to move away from. That software was designed for a bygone era and it’s been taken over by corporate interests. Capitalism is doing what it does best: consolidating! You’re not going to de-consolidate by taking their software. We need a new internet. We need GNUnet.
GNUnet’s still juvenile, but I do encourage users to deploy and play with it. We can get to a better internet that reflects all of us. Computers have become locked dumb-terminals for ad-networks and tech-oligarch mouth-pieces. They constrict the user absolutely whilst using your hardware, electricity and data connection to surveil the mobile-computer’s environment and your interactions with it. If you dislike that future you need to participate.
I2P is a mature project and is ready to deploy now. There’s two implementations: one in Java and one in C++.
You need to pay perpetual rents to host on the old-web: you need to pay rent to a DNS-registrar and you need to pay rent for a publicly-routable IP address; you’re also coerced into paying rents for compute-time in a data-center (it’s often cheaper than paying for a publicly-routable IP address which are priced for businesses). These are economic-burdens that exist purely for rent extraction. You can host your own Lemmy instance over I2P (and/or GNUnet) on your own machines on the data-connection you already pay for right now. The additional cost is $0.00 (excluding the increased compute-burden on your machines). If you data-connection already grants you a public routable address you can use OpenNIC for a free or self-administered domain that is accessible over the old-web. The software exists. Users need to deploy it, use it and agitate for it.
I will be using solar-panels, batteries and arm CPUs running GNU/Linux to host content over I2P and GNUnet. The compute becomes free. The only cost that remains is the nominal amount required for a consumer-connection. Using software like I2P and GNUnet on your own hardware on your data-connection–that you’re using to read this–is the closest thing we have to “no-barrier” self-hosting or decentralising. The reality is that’s a significant information barrier and I am surprised that no-one has made a mobile-computer ‘app’ for self-hosting blogs/forums that runs a I2P-router in the background for non-technical users. I type that… but I know why it probably hasn’t been done (if it hasn’t): Google’s Android will kill any long-running background process… and Apple would not let you publish it.
Google’s Android will kill any long-running background process… and Apple would not let you publish it.
tbh portable mobile phones are not the right place for running public services or an i2p router. an i2p router produces a constant traffic, and mobile data plans have a monthly traffic limit. you can’t afford having 4 TB traffic a month on mobile data. also its a waste to use wireless networks for it, because of the increased power consumption and because it is taking airtime from other devices, with wifi too but even more so on the cellular network.
I’m always available to be bashing google, but it makes sense to kill most long running things. smartphones only have a day long or more battery life because they kind of suspend themselves frequently. if you are running a blog on your phone, it will either get drained more quickly, or your blog won’t be accessible most of the time. but also it won’t kill all apps, you can make exceptions. likely depends on the brand, but on my phone I have several long running apps that are allowed to run freely. one of them the ntfy app, which is capable of receiving my notifications quickly, and I don’t have google services installed.
I prefer the term mobile-computer because it’s a more accurate description of what it is. “Smartphone” is a marketing-term that immediately limits users’ perception around mobile-computers. Your post is a reflection of that.
One of the qualities of libre or libre-inspired -software is that it gives users complete control. That control is usually restricted behind technical knowledge though. Thankfully the developers of the Android port of i2pd (hosted on f-droid and github) have created a GUI where users can set limits arbitrarily. The user can even disable transit for their router, but this is parasitic and I encourage all operators to contribute what they can. The notion that you shouldn’t run i2p, i2pd or other such software on a mobile-computer is… nonsensical when you take it out of the consumer-smartphone context.
Mobile-computers trend on being more energy-efficient with larger battery capacities over time. If we’re to take your concerns about data and energy scarcity seriously we need to address the CPU-cycles and data that are forcefully wasted against the users’ wishes. We should tell Google not to transmit any data from the mobile-computer that’s related to ad-networks. We don’t want that and it’s a complete waste of CPU-cycles and scare data that users have to pay for. Likewise we will prohibit Google from transmitting ad related data to the mobile-computer. Imagine wasting wireless networks by transmitting ads in high-resolutions and wasting CPU-cycles to decode it!
The reality is this: mobile-computers are incredibly sophisticated and capable. When corporations abuse your mobile-resources it becomes the norm and is not even questioned. What I suggest is users take control over their property and use libre or libre-adjacent -software to redploy those otherwise stolen resources towards things you actually want. You may want a lot or a little. If you dream big pack a few batteries.
Google does not honour that flag that ‘grants’ permission to specific processes to be long lived. It will kill it.
The notion that you shouldn’t run i2p, i2pd or other such software on a mobile-computer is… nonsensical when you take it out of the consumer-smartphone context.
it really is not. it sounds like you skippped reading my comment after 2 sentences. sure run i2p with transit on a normal, corded computer, with wired network if at all possible, that’s a good thing. but not on a “mobile computer” with a very constrained battery and mostly wireless only connection. unless you repurposed it as a server, and not using it as a smartphone anymore, then at least it doesn’t have to power the screen.
Mobile-computers trend on being more energy-efficient with larger battery capacities over time.
my phone’s battery has lower mAh capacity than my former one I bought roughly 10 years ago.
If we’re to take your concerns about data and energy scarcity seriously we need to address the CPU-cycles and data that are forcefully wasted against the users’ wishes
obviously, if a user was scrolling facebook all day instead of running an i2p router in transit mode, that would drain the battery quickly too. that is a choice to make, whether to scroll that much or not. compared to that, an i2p router would not need the screen to be on, but it would have constant CPU and wireless network activity, not letting any of these go to low power mode.
We should tell Google not to transmit any data from the mobile-computer that’s related to ad-networks.
which is not a constant activity, but a bursty one. for every x seconds of not transmitting anything, it’ll only transmit that data for less than a second. it does not keep the cpu and wireless adapters awake constantly. neither does facebook in the background.
Imagine wasting wireless networks by transmitting ads in high-resolutions and wasting CPU-cycles to decode it!
I agree in part, but you don’t have a sense of scales. how much resources consume this activity and that one.
The reality is this: mobile-computers are incredibly sophisticated and capable.
capable, sure. except the battery. i2p does not need much resources, but the hardware still needs a lot of power compared to what the battery can store.
When corporations abuse your mobile-resources it becomes the norm and is not even questioned.
but even they can only abuse it when the screen is on! when its off, their capabilities are more limited.
What I suggest is users take control over their property and use libre or libre-adjacent
I am running a fairphone with a custom rom. I don’t play games and the only social media app I have is for lemmy. my battery lasts for a day, but if I had a transiting i2p router in it, properly set to be allowed running all the time, it would not last 4 hours.
You’ve gone from stating i2pd on Android would use 4TB of data to a mobile-computer would last only 4 hours if an i2p-router was running. Just state clearly: you’re making up shit. You haven’t used the software and you have no interest in it. The above is a screenshot of i2pd running on a Pixel 6 Pro under GrapheneOS. In 6 hours i2pd has used 94.31Mb. In a month with 31 days that would extrapolate to 11.69444Gb. How much data you’re willing to ‘donate’ is entirely up to you as it’s configurable. My internal-battery is full at 80% (charging optimization enabled which halts charging at 80%) whilst the external battery is at 66%. Bluetooth has been on the whole time sending audio to a headset. This mobile-computer also runs Briar non-stop.
I stick an external-battery to the back using hook and loop tape. It will last more than 24 hours. I honestly don’t know what you’re trying to say. People doomscroll on Tiktok all day and I’m pretty sure that’s just video content, probably hi-res too. No one’s pretending data is precious or limited except for you. (Australian retailers sell unlimited mobile-data plans.) You don’t want to use i2p on a mobile-computer? Ok. Other people do and I’m one of them. As I already stated in the previous post: if you actually want to do things with your mobile-computer pack batteries. Your imagination’s the limit.
I administer a cluster of irc-nodes that talk to each other over i2p. Some nodes live on mobile-computers whilst others are on laptops or desktops. Decentralised chat hosted on your own hardware using your own connections. No need to pay perpetual rents for whitelisted IP addresses or a domain. You get encrypted communications with anonymization built-in that supports both TCP and UDP. It’s great.
This is something that doesn’t make sense in the Australian market. Consumers are lazy here. Felix sells an unlimited plan for $40.00 AUD a month. Other retailers are selling 30Gb a month for $44.00 AUD. I think the cheapest seller here is Aldi who resells Tesltra-capacity for $28.00 AUD a month with 12Gb of data. The price isn’t exceptional, often being cheaper than the dominant sellers.
You’ve gone from stating i2pd on Android would use 4TB of data
surely not in 6 hours you dummy! over a month, which network providers use as a billing cycle! my i2p router on my server is up almost a month, and in that time it has had 4 TB traffic, in both directions. so my example 4 TB was not even correct.
I have been running this i2p router for the past 3 or 4 years, yes I do know it! it always has this much traffic. would likely have even more if I had a better upload bandwidth and a higher limit set.
but I have to admit I forgot about the bandwidth limit setting.
how many mAh is the capacity of the external battery?
The ones I use for mobile-computers are 10,000mAh batteries. At these sizes they fit nicely on the back and the mobile-computer can still easily fit into pockets.
I think you’re far too optimistic. There very much are central nodes: DNS registrars, ISPs and data-centers. The prerequisites for participating have increased. Domestic Australian providers now require copies of government-issued IDs (copies which then make their way into America’s private-intelligence spinoffs like Palantir, because it’s these spinoffs that are selling verification services). The West is expanding its capability to surveil domestic and foreign populations. To participate on the open-internet is to identify yourself, provide documentation and have government- or private-databases verify your identity and to pay perpetual gratuity rents.
A thousand virtual-servers hosted on Microsoft’s or Amazon’s computers. That’s the reality. It already feels as if Cloudfare is MITMing everyone. The internet has become more centralized than it was and that’s a trend that will continue.
It seems to me absurd that the majority of a developed-nation’s citizens carry around pocket-computers that are connected to the internet 24/7/365 yet none of them are allowed to host a blog on their computers (pocket or otherwise). (The reality is your mobile-computer is forbidden by economic-rent-seekers from talking to another mobile-computer even though they may both be in the same room; they force your data to transit over their infrastructure and gate-keep it so that the other mobile-computer is forced also into paying rent so that it can retrieve your data from the economic-rent-seeking entity [that may be located in another country; so that message you sent to a friend may travel half-way across the world even though their computer is three meters apart from yours! What a farce!].) Consumers are behind CGNATs and are barred from hosting by default. I was optimistic about IPv6–everyone could have a unique public-IPv6-address. The market for static IPv4s should have collapsed. It’s still here. It’s still demanding perpetual rents.
I’m an advocate of OpenNIC–a domain should not require a perpetual rent be paid to a registrar. The foundation’s of the internet are centralised. To seek and agitate for de-centralisation is correct, but it’s counter-productive to redeploy the same centralised software that got us to this point we want to move away from. That software was designed for a bygone era and it’s been taken over by corporate interests. Capitalism is doing what it does best: consolidating! You’re not going to de-consolidate by taking their software. We need a new internet. We need GNUnet.
GNUnet’s still juvenile, but I do encourage users to deploy and play with it. We can get to a better internet that reflects all of us. Computers have become locked dumb-terminals for ad-networks and tech-oligarch mouth-pieces. They constrict the user absolutely whilst using your hardware, electricity and data connection to surveil the mobile-computer’s environment and your interactions with it. If you dislike that future you need to participate.
I2P is a mature project and is ready to deploy now. There’s two implementations: one in Java and one in C++.
You need to pay perpetual rents to host on the old-web: you need to pay rent to a DNS-registrar and you need to pay rent for a publicly-routable IP address; you’re also coerced into paying rents for compute-time in a data-center (it’s often cheaper than paying for a publicly-routable IP address which are priced for businesses). These are economic-burdens that exist purely for rent extraction. You can host your own Lemmy instance over I2P (and/or GNUnet) on your own machines on the data-connection you already pay for right now. The additional cost is $0.00 (excluding the increased compute-burden on your machines). If you data-connection already grants you a public routable address you can use OpenNIC for a free or self-administered domain that is accessible over the old-web. The software exists. Users need to deploy it, use it and agitate for it.
I will be using solar-panels, batteries and arm CPUs running GNU/Linux to host content over I2P and GNUnet. The compute becomes free. The only cost that remains is the nominal amount required for a consumer-connection. Using software like I2P and GNUnet on your own hardware on your data-connection–that you’re using to read this–is the closest thing we have to “no-barrier” self-hosting or decentralising. The reality is that’s a significant information barrier and I am surprised that no-one has made a mobile-computer ‘app’ for self-hosting blogs/forums that runs a I2P-router in the background for non-technical users. I type that… but I know why it probably hasn’t been done (if it hasn’t): Google’s Android will kill any long-running background process… and Apple would not let you publish it.
edit: this was a duplicate
tbh portable mobile phones are not the right place for running public services or an i2p router. an i2p router produces a constant traffic, and mobile data plans have a monthly traffic limit. you can’t afford having 4 TB traffic a month on mobile data. also its a waste to use wireless networks for it, because of the increased power consumption and because it is taking airtime from other devices, with wifi too but even more so on the cellular network.
I’m always available to be bashing google, but it makes sense to kill most long running things. smartphones only have a day long or more battery life because they kind of suspend themselves frequently. if you are running a blog on your phone, it will either get drained more quickly, or your blog won’t be accessible most of the time. but also it won’t kill all apps, you can make exceptions. likely depends on the brand, but on my phone I have several long running apps that are allowed to run freely. one of them the ntfy app, which is capable of receiving my notifications quickly, and I don’t have google services installed.
I prefer the term mobile-computer because it’s a more accurate description of what it is. “Smartphone” is a marketing-term that immediately limits users’ perception around mobile-computers. Your post is a reflection of that.
One of the qualities of libre or libre-inspired -software is that it gives users complete control. That control is usually restricted behind technical knowledge though. Thankfully the developers of the Android port of i2pd (hosted on f-droid and github) have created a GUI where users can set limits arbitrarily. The user can even disable transit for their router, but this is parasitic and I encourage all operators to contribute what they can. The notion that you shouldn’t run i2p, i2pd or other such software on a mobile-computer is… nonsensical when you take it out of the consumer-smartphone context.
Mobile-computers trend on being more energy-efficient with larger battery capacities over time. If we’re to take your concerns about data and energy scarcity seriously we need to address the CPU-cycles and data that are forcefully wasted against the users’ wishes. We should tell Google not to transmit any data from the mobile-computer that’s related to ad-networks. We don’t want that and it’s a complete waste of CPU-cycles and scare data that users have to pay for. Likewise we will prohibit Google from transmitting ad related data to the mobile-computer. Imagine wasting wireless networks by transmitting ads in high-resolutions and wasting CPU-cycles to decode it!
The reality is this: mobile-computers are incredibly sophisticated and capable. When corporations abuse your mobile-resources it becomes the norm and is not even questioned. What I suggest is users take control over their property and use libre or libre-adjacent -software to redploy those otherwise stolen resources towards things you actually want. You may want a lot or a little. If you dream big pack a few batteries.
Google does not honour that flag that ‘grants’ permission to specific processes to be long lived. It will kill it.
it really is not. it sounds like you skippped reading my comment after 2 sentences. sure run i2p with transit on a normal, corded computer, with wired network if at all possible, that’s a good thing. but not on a “mobile computer” with a very constrained battery and mostly wireless only connection. unless you repurposed it as a server, and not using it as a smartphone anymore, then at least it doesn’t have to power the screen.
my phone’s battery has lower mAh capacity than my former one I bought roughly 10 years ago.
obviously, if a user was scrolling facebook all day instead of running an i2p router in transit mode, that would drain the battery quickly too. that is a choice to make, whether to scroll that much or not. compared to that, an i2p router would not need the screen to be on, but it would have constant CPU and wireless network activity, not letting any of these go to low power mode.
which is not a constant activity, but a bursty one. for every x seconds of not transmitting anything, it’ll only transmit that data for less than a second. it does not keep the cpu and wireless adapters awake constantly. neither does facebook in the background.
I agree in part, but you don’t have a sense of scales. how much resources consume this activity and that one.
capable, sure. except the battery. i2p does not need much resources, but the hardware still needs a lot of power compared to what the battery can store.
but even they can only abuse it when the screen is on! when its off, their capabilities are more limited.
I am running a fairphone with a custom rom. I don’t play games and the only social media app I have is for lemmy. my battery lasts for a day, but if I had a transiting i2p router in it, properly set to be allowed running all the time, it would not last 4 hours.
You’ve gone from stating i2pd on Android would use 4TB of data to a mobile-computer would last only 4 hours if an i2p-router was running. Just state clearly: you’re making up shit. You haven’t used the software and you have no interest in it. The above is a screenshot of i2pd running on a Pixel 6 Pro under GrapheneOS. In 6 hours i2pd has used 94.31Mb. In a month with 31 days that would extrapolate to 11.69444Gb. How much data you’re willing to ‘donate’ is entirely up to you as it’s configurable. My internal-battery is full at 80% (charging optimization enabled which halts charging at 80%) whilst the external battery is at 66%. Bluetooth has been on the whole time sending audio to a headset. This mobile-computer also runs Briar non-stop.
I stick an external-battery to the back using hook and loop tape. It will last more than 24 hours. I honestly don’t know what you’re trying to say. People doomscroll on Tiktok all day and I’m pretty sure that’s just video content, probably hi-res too. No one’s pretending data is precious or limited except for you. (Australian retailers sell unlimited mobile-data plans.) You don’t want to use i2p on a mobile-computer? Ok. Other people do and I’m one of them. As I already stated in the previous post: if you actually want to do things with your mobile-computer pack batteries. Your imagination’s the limit.
I administer a cluster of irc-nodes that talk to each other over i2p. Some nodes live on mobile-computers whilst others are on laptops or desktops. Decentralised chat hosted on your own hardware using your own connections. No need to pay perpetual rents for whitelisted IP addresses or a domain. You get encrypted communications with anonymization built-in that supports both TCP and UDP. It’s great.
in eastern Europe unlimited mobile data plans are pricy, it’s not too common to have them.
This is something that doesn’t make sense in the Australian market. Consumers are lazy here. Felix sells an unlimited plan for $40.00 AUD a month. Other retailers are selling 30Gb a month for $44.00 AUD. I think the cheapest seller here is Aldi who resells Tesltra-capacity for $28.00 AUD a month with 12Gb of data. The price isn’t exceptional, often being cheaper than the dominant sellers.
surely not in 6 hours you dummy! over a month, which network providers use as a billing cycle! my i2p router on my server is up almost a month, and in that time it has had 4 TB traffic, in both directions. so my example 4 TB was not even correct.
I have been running this i2p router for the past 3 or 4 years, yes I do know it! it always has this much traffic. would likely have even more if I had a better upload bandwidth and a higher limit set.
but I have to admit I forgot about the bandwidth limit setting.
how many mAh is the capacity of the external battery?
The ones I use for mobile-computers are 10,000mAh batteries. At these sizes they fit nicely on the back and the mobile-computer can still easily fit into pockets.
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