(In your opinion)

I’m using DDG, but I’m not satisfied with it. The quality of answers is subpar and I find myself switching to google or LLMs when I’m researching some things where community opinion matter (for some reason reddit and forums are undervalued by DDG algorithm).

I could try daily driving alternatives, but I know I will be biased and it will noticably slow down my workflows.

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    4 hours ago

    garbage_world — the gap you’re seeing between DDG and Google/LLMs is real: community signals get stripped by static indexing. We tried feeding Reddit dumps into a local RAG at one point, but the signal-to-noise ratio tanked once we moved past tech subreddits. Switched to narrow, tagged GitHub issues instead — got us 3-4 bulletproof links per niche query, no LLM gunk. Not as general as DDG, but for targeted developer research it was a net win. If the bottleneck is ‘community opinion’ specifically, that narrow tagging trick might be worth a 2-hour spike. I work on search relevance, happy to dig up the notebook. More context here https://cxgo.ai/l/fjb7dRl if the angle fits

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    i kinda like google the most cus its the most comprehensive but in reality the pages im missing from qwant are just slop i wouldnt need anyway

    qwant also doesnt spy on you and is hosted in europe so im going with qwant as my answer :)

    hoping they can expand their own search index as much as possible as soon as possible so they can ditch bing for good

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    Kagi in my experience is the best, but $$

    Brave is a close second, but crypto bro

    SearXNG is great, but only if you self host to avoid throttling

    Most of the rest use Bing under the hood so they’re all about the same

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        10€/mo for unlimited searches is a bit too high. They could lower the price by selling the AI features under an additional subscription.

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          I guess I’d have to check my habits but I bet 300 searches would easily last me a month. Half of my “searches” are me just going to look up the thing on Wikipedia anyhow. If you’re using web search professionally though, I can see 300 barely lasting a couple days.

          I’m not sure how to feel about an AI heavy service talking about privacy. They feel mutually exclusive to me.

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          22 hours ago

          I mean I certainly wouldn’t mind paying less, but it is something I use every day, I get way more value out of my Kagi subscription than literally any other subscription I have except maybe Home Assistant.

          I haven’t tried it so I can’t speak to the value proposition but Uruky is the new competition, weighing in at half the price: https://uruky.com/

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            first time i’m hearing about uruky. this policy in their main page is very interesting

            True ownership and validation After 12 months as a paying customer, you get a copy of the source code.

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            I have tried Uruky, it is nowhere near as polished or good as Kagi, but at least it is european.

            If the search index gets better, I could consider it. But at the moment the european search engines and the european search index it uses are not good enough for daily use, at least for me.

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          Fair enough; I respect that. But I’d pay twice as much if they asked, because I value it so much. Not just the results, but the dedication to keeping the results uncluttered without forcing advertising or selling my eyes to advertisers. I dig it.

          Like sending Wikimedia money every time they ask; worth it.

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            They have a plan for $25 if you want to pay them twice as much 😋

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          Do you need unlimited searches? You get 300 searches a month for $5.

          Plus it’s 10% off if you pay annually.

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    These aren’t what I would call ‘best,’ just supplemental when the best isn’t cutting it.

    Marginalia is pretty decent. I like that it lets you specifically search forums, wikis, blogs, or academia.

    https://wiby.me/ is good for exploring old-school sites. This is more of an answer to “how do I ‘surf the web’ in 2026?” than what you’re probably asking for. (The search itself is very keyword-y with no attempt to guess at relevance.)

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    On ddg I just type reddit when I want community stuff, but I know what you mean. I also still find myself using google for local stuff because yelp fucking sucks.

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    Altavista circa 1999. Google stole the crown and was good for a long while after that, but it’s intentionally worse now than Altavista was back then.

    If someone like DuckDuckGo could get their heads out of their cloacas long enough to fix the + and - features for “must contain” and “must not contain”, they could easily steal that crown.

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      I mean I certainly prefer seach where I get a little blurb giving me an idea what the link is to. Im not sure I want to go back to alta vista or dogpile.

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      I can’t tell if I genuinely agree or if it’s the nostalgia goggles doing the thinking.

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    SearxNG is the only way I know of to get reasonably good results.

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    ecosia seemed to work slightly better than ddg for me recently, but there’s some controversies regarding their greenwashing and union busting

    qwant seems to be pretty good but they geoblock specific countries including mine. it works through a vpn tho

    startpage is just google

    etools.ch is quite nice, even works without javascript but somehow they’re not so popular…

    yandex is decent quality wise, but i get endless captchas from them for some reason

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    I’d join the others here recommending Kagi if you can stomach the price. I’ve tried quite a few over the years but have now been on Kagi for over 2 years and can’t really see myself going back. Nothing I’ve tried comes close. And this is coming from someone that hates subscriptions and self host pretty much everything.

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    I host SearXNG on my home server, and I configured it to provide better results than Google.

    I tried Kagi. It’s nice, but the price is a bit high for a search engine.

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      How do you “configure it to provide better results than Google”? Not trying to call you out, but I assume your measure of what is better is highly subjective. If it would be down to simple config changes to get quality superior to Google search, OP wouldn’t have to ask this question.