Example, putting ketchup on a perfectly cooked ribeye steak at a nice restaurant.
Back when I was in the Army, a friend of mine tricked his vegan GF into eating meat.
That is super fucked up. We don’t need to agree on things. I thing vegans are cringe, personally. But I would fight tooth and nail to make a vegan get what they want.
Like come on.
You articulated some of what I was about to write up.
Do what you like to your own food but never, ever, ever intentionally mess with or disregard someone else’s food restrictions. Doesn’t matter if you disagree with them or think they’re “making it up.” At best it’s a violation of their agency, and at worst you could kill or seriously injure someone. Stuff like that is scary.
One of my friends tells a story when she was 8, and she was deathly allergic to nuts. She was at a friend’s birthday party, and was given a cookie. She went to her mom to ask if it was okay, and her mom asked the mother of the birthday girl, “Does this have nuts in it? My daughter is deathly allergic to nuts.” The woman said, “No.” So she was allowed to eat the cookie. A few minutes later, her face started to swell, her throat started to close, and she started having a deadly reaction. The mother freaked out, and said to the other mom, “I thought you said there was no nuts in these?” “I mean, there are just one or two walnuts, but they are ground up so fine, she couldn’t have tasted them.” My friend had to go to the ER.
Hope the mother who provided the cookie was the one to pay for the medical bill. Otherwise, that’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Man america is fuckin weird
(but also remember the commenter might not be american)
I feel like a lot of people back then didn’t understand what allergies were, thinking it was just an extreme form of not liking the taste.
That “mother”, and I use to term lightly here, is beyond stupid dangerous (the one that said there were no nuts in the cookie).
After saving my child, it would have been all I could do to not beat them to a bloody pulp.
This really is baseline respect.
I knew a woman who almost killed her son in law because she believed his shellfish allergy was “made up”.
I remember a story on Reddit of a grandmother that killed her granddaughter because she wouldn’t listen about an allergy.
I hope they broke up after that, that’s fucked up
I’d almost extend this to any kinds of trickery about what people are putting into their mouths. The consequences can be lethal at worst.
A bit unrelated but at a previous work place the guys there put viagra into another guy’s food as a joke where as I would’ve considered that borderline assault.
That’s not borderline, if he had low blood pressure issues or already medicated for high blood pressure, it could have killed him.
That’s clearly sexual assault using drugs!
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paprika, salt, and pepper
So dried pepper, salt, and pepper? That’s wild!
Wildly different kinds of pepper lol. Fun fact, chili peppers are actually named peppers because when they were named they were thought to be related to black pepper, but are actually not really related at all.
Waste.
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Putting any seasoning on a meal you are served without tasting it first.
If it is not to your liking, then add the ketchup, steak sauce, salt, whatever, but at least try it first. 1) Out of respect for those who prepared it. 2) You might find that you enjoy it as it is.
Now if you prepared it, by all means, do whatever you want to it.
Reminds me when I spent several hours cooking a cubano sandwich and my brother just added tonkatsu sauce to it before ever tasting it. I begged him to taste it first, I’ve nvr even seen him add tonkatsu sauce randomly like that, but nope
I can’t find a link to verify this story, but I remember reading a story that an officer was given the opportunity to eat with Napoleon, and he seasoned his food before he took a bite, and it ruined his military career.
Napoleon decided that that person was not worthy of being entrusted with an army because he wouldn’t even try what was presented in front of him before changing it.
Ok, to start I completely agree… but for devil’s advocate sake where is the dividing line?
Let’s say cheese pizza with red pepper flakes; you like your cheese pizza with a little bit of spice on it but otherwise don’t want any other toppings on there.
If you and a few friends are ordering cheese pizza together from a local place that you haven’t tried yet, would it still be wrong to add the pepper flakes before trying the plain cheese pizza first?
There is a bit of generalization here because I know there are millions of variations of cheese pizza and some wildly different takes around the world but for the most part the vast majority of cheese pizza, especially from a standard, local to you, take out/delivery spot, has a small standard deviation from the norm.
Or put another way, does someone have to try a french fry plain first before they dip it in ketchup if they know they like their french fries with ketchup?
Is this rule more specifically geared towards fine dining, less fast food/mass produced type of foods/eating establishments?
Sorry if my autism is showing here but I do like hearing other people’s take on the narrow grey area between black and white social situations/faux-pas’.
Good questions. In my opinion, I think if it is fast food or delivery, do whatever you wish. Similarly, if it is a food you’ve had at a place before and remember it needed more of XYZ spice/sauce, it is fair to add it prior to eating.
For new experiences, especially with company, at a nice restaurant, or at someone’s home, definitely taste first.
But in the end, as a fellow poster stated, life is too short, enjoy whatever makes you happy.
I would add to it that this was also not fast food, like in Napoleon’s time, each meal had to be cooked personally, so you may not know what the chef was doing, you don’t know necessarily what to expect. So I think Napoleon’s reasoning in that case was that you should try what the chef prepared for you to see if you like it as is before you start altering it.
After all, like food science was very much in its infancy at that time, so you can eat the exact same meal prepared by the exact same recipe by two different chefs and have two wildly different food experiences.
I had to train my wife out of immediately dumping random hot sauce on every meal.
I think it’s fair if the food is prepared by someone whose cooking you know well. Like if my wife makes something, I will always have salt and some spices ready because I know it’s not going to be seasoned well. And I feel just putting some salt on in that case is better than always going through the process of tasting and only then going to the spice rack or something.
eating raw chicken? eating straight salt with a spoon?
but if you wanna put ketchup on a steak? Id hate that. however its someone elses food. I wouldnt yuck their yum
Ok but does anyone else eat the salt plain at the end of the pretzel bag???
Yes…
Ow, my kidneys.
Raw chicken is a delicacy in Japan
I’ve yet to have the balls/reckless-abandon-for-my-bowels to try it
I would trust the quality of Japanese chickens infinitely more than others’. They seem to take their food products pretty dang seriously, like their ridiculously perfect fruits.
I’d hardly call it a delicacy. I’ve had it a couple of times and hate the texture.
The term delicacy typically is to do with things like the rarity/speciality of the food and care/attention during preparation. It doesn’t necessarily mean tastes amazing or anything like that
I’d guess a lot of people would feel similarly about many foods considered delicacies.
I get that. I’ve seen it at tons of places that wouldn’t lead me to believe it has some special status. I’ve also never heard a japanese say it is a delicacy either.
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It’s still not fine lol. It carried an insane salmonella risk even in Japan. It’s just one of those traditional dishes that get overlooked on safety in favor of tradition. Japan’s health department strongly discourages it because of the extreme risk of salmonella.
There are none. With all the bullshit going on now, life is far too short to criticize anyone for their taste in food and food combinations.
Everyone- eat what makes you happy. Find the bliss in the small things. And ignore anyone that thinks you should be ashamed for the things that you enjoy.
Judging people for preparing their food how they like it.
Cultural relativism is fine. Doesn’t mean talking about things counter to your experience/preference isn’t interesting.
Insulting people for for putting ketchup on their steak and shit like that is not a meaningful discussion.
It’s not insulting to talk about it… How insecure does a person have to be to not be able to discuss food choices? I framed the question specifically to include you. There is not objective good/bad right/wrong. Nobody is being insulted because understanding the concept of subjectivity is expected amongst adults…
It’s not insulting to talk about it… How insecure does a person have to be to not be able to discuss food choices?
It depends entirely on the tone of the conversation. Saying shit like “pineapple on pizza is an abomination” or “ketchup is for babies” is insulting. Giving reasons for why you personally don’t like something or how it could be better is fine but to tell others what to do with their own food, so long as they are not wasting it, is wrong.
Did I say any of that at any point? Seems like you’re just making stuff up to be bothered by lmao. Further, if you’re shaken to the core because you like ketchup and someone said its for babies… I mean…
No you didn’t, I was clarifying what I meant by my original statement as it’s definitely a thing that happens. Although not as much of it going on in this post as I would have expected to see which is nice.
| Further, if you’re shaken to the core because you like ketchup and someone said its for babies… I mean…
While that was just an example I made up I’d hardly need to be “shaken to the core” by something to think it’s wrong. Seems you’re the one projecting.
It’s just incredibly annoying/cringy to see someone try to take a perceived moral high ground when it’s completely unnecessary.
People like what they like.
Messing with other people’s food, like someone putting ketchup on my ribeye, that would be a food crime.
Waste.
The only wrong move is to waste it. Do what you want but use everything possible.
Drenching your food in spices or sauces before even tasting it. That simply is an insult to anyone cooking. Nothing wrong with it afterwards, everyones taste is different. Exception:when the cook themselves tell you they forgot to add salt.
I don’t forget to add salt, but I don’t like salt nearly as much as other people seem to, so when we have guests over for dinner, we warn them that the food is lightly salted and provide various condiments at the table to add salt.
I like both - sometimes nearly no salt is fine, on other days i like an extra pinch or two. really depends on both the dish and whatever floats my boat that day
Boiling broccoli.
It’s just bad, and wrong. I know lots of people who don’t like broccoli, and when I ask why it’s usually because that’s the only / main way they’ve had it. For me it’s the opposite, I love broccoli, it’s my favorite vegetable.
Acceptable methods of preparation, in descending order:
- pan-fried, hard. High heat, add a good oil and immediately follow with roughly chopped (e.g. halve the large “flowers”) broccoli so the oil doesn’t burn. It will sizzle and crack like crazy for a couple of minutes. In the end, you should have brown-almost-black, caramelized flowers/stems, that are still very crisp on the inside. If you want to make a sauce, set aside or make simultaneously and only combine towards the end, so you don’t cook the broccoli until soft after frying.
- oven-roasted. High heat, again in the oven until almost blackened in spots. It’s almost, but not quite as good as pan-fried, but that seems to be common with oven-roasting. You likely loose a lot of the inner crispness. But, no oil spritzes.
- blanched, shortly. IDK why you’d ever really want this, unless it’s to make the color pop. Way worse than oven roasted, way better than cooked or steamed.
Note this only applies to fresh broccoli, the frozen stuff is unsalvageable.
Steamed broccoli solos
What are your thoughts on streaming and then using a sause (oyster or similar)?
We’ve always steamed it. I wouldn’t call it good or bad by itself. I season it with garlic powder and soysauce. When I was a kid my parents just dumped butter on it. I haven’t cared for the oven roasted ones I’ve tried. Charred broccoli tastes nasty to me.
Pressure cooked is ok. Put broccoli in steamer basket, over an inch of water. Low pressure, zero minutes, quick release. So as soon as it reaches pressure, vent it.
Only time it’s appropriate to drop my broccoli in boiling water is when it’s part of a dish like cavatelli and broccoli. Boil it, add it to a pain with oil and garlic, and then basically crush em up, add cavatelli, Parm, enjoy. Ground sausage optional as well.
Other than that, the best vegetables are given roasted or sauteed.
I’ve come around on a lot of things, even if I don’t like 'em, can wrap my mind around them, but sugar on grits is an abomination.
Other than that, I think the only right answer when someone makes you food is “thank you”. If you try it and don’t like it don’t eat it, that’s fine. Just acknowledge the effort the person made to feed you. “EEW” is never appropriate. Even if they give you sugared grits. “Thanks, I’ll pass on those, I don’t like sugar on grits but please, enjoy. When I cook I’ll make them savory so you can try them that way.”
I have an issue with anything that my brain says is supposed to be savory that has been loaded up with sugar and is now sweet.
Like I ate cornbread relatively often as a kid, but my mom always made it without any sugar, so I’m used to it. To me cornbread is a savory food, but apparently everybody else in the entire fucking United States of America put so much sugar in their cornbread that it’s more like a corn muffin.
Sugar in grits? I’ll take one bite, realize what it is, and not eat anymore.
I dislike sweet cornbread too, will put a pinch or half spoonful of sugar, no more. More likely to put cheese or jalapenos or something like that.
Kettle corn popcorn is ok though. Not my favorite (nutritional yeast, chili powder, salt is my favorite) but the sweet and salty kettle corn is good.
That makes sense because it’s kettle corn popcorn, so my brain doesn’t go, “This is supposed to be savory!”
I had a professor in undergrad who was from Arkansas. He told the story of how he moved north (to Missouri) and was shocked when he was served “cornbread” that he classified as “cake.”
That was when I learned that the sweetness of cornbread is a regional difference. I spent most of my life in the Ohio River valley (“south” to northerners and “north” to southerners), so I like and recognize both types.
That eponymous scene from American pie
Rotisserie chicken, burgers and pizza have to be eaten with your bare hands. If you use cutlery you are wrong and weird.
Trying to eat Neapolitan pizza with your hands is asking to look like a toddler who has just had their first spag-bol, similarly for Chicago style and maybe Detroit too
Agree with you for NY style though
Trying to eat Neapolitan pizza with your hands
Just did that yesterday, skill issue. You fold it to make a little boat.
All pizza should be folded. If it can’t be folded, it’s not pizza.
By that logic, your mom is pizza
Not necessarily, the only stated restriction is that it must fold to be pizza, nothing about non-folding non-pizza.
lol, ya got me there
Dang, if the places serving thin pizza around here came out like that I might not despise it so much.
This is Michael’s on Broadway in Chicago. Hit it up if you’re ever here, some of the best thin crust in town.
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Eh, I’m gonna continue to do what the Italians do, it’s their food
If it’s sitting in front of me then it’s my fucking food.
Same, then we don’t have an issue!
I’m glad I could help
Wasting it, if it can at all be avoided.
My grandmother was purported to have frequently said that this was the only true crime.
Of course, she lived through Jim Crow, WWII, and The Korean War, so she overlooked a few other massive crimes, but she was a young adult living in the dust bowl when the Great Depression hit, so I think it’s reasonable for that to have been pretty formative for her.
My parents grew up in the ruins of post WWII Germany, so that has certainly impacted their raising of me.
But even setting that aside, deliberately wasting food is a disrespect to all the life that needed to end for you to have it. Be it flora, fauna, or fungi.
@ExtraJudgement @idiomaddict I think technically mushrooms and fruit should not be a problem in that regard as both are used to spread seeds/spores, and being eaten is kind of their whole function.
On the other hand many of them need to be harvested, so wasting them is a thorough disrespect towards the labor needed to bring it to your table
None. Everyone should eat food the way they want to enjoy it.
Cultural relativism is fine. Doesn’t mean talking about things counter to your experience/preference isn’t interesting.
