That was disturbing news to Angelica Jadunandan, who moved to New York from Florida with her two young daughters three years ago. Her older daughter, who is eight, is transgender, and Angelica wanted to move them to a safe blue state—somewhere her family’s medical care would not be called into question. New York is a self-declared “sanctuary state” for trans people. It seemed like a good option.
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Who said they are?
Puberty blockers
A) are prescribed all the time to children youger who start puberty ‘too early’
B) are reversed the moment you stop taking them.
Also, it’s not a binary choice, or permenant. If a child wants to by jenifer instead of Steven for week, just do it? You’d do the same if they wanted to be called pirate king for a week.
Also,
No one is doing medical intervention without it being persistent. No one is prescribing these on a whim.
Actual question, not getting at anything here: how do puberty blocker effects reverse? Does it essentially make you a late bloomer if you stop taking them, or is some growth missed out on/skipped because you take them?
I’m seeing some people say that it pauses things and doesn’t cause any issues if someone goes off them, but I’m seeing other comments that it can negatively impact bone density. How does it not stunt puberty at all if it’s paused for a certain period of time?
And not to be rude, please do your own research here.
I’m not saying this to be mean, I’m. saying it because I’m a random asshat on the internet. Find trusted sources, and find people who know more than me, an anon asshat.
Also, Its not always… Good… To ask the repressed minioroty for education. Its fully well intentioned. But your deferring to my opniom as if I’m a medical expert. When I’m at most an expert in my own health care.
My opinions om care are informed by opinions like paediatricians and other medical professional associations, all of whom say this care is safe.
I linked in another comment these were first used in the early 80s, 45 years ago. There’s TONs of info.
Now, like I said, not a medical expert. But I do have an acemic experience (degree in physics). I’ll say a good start is google scholor. Or looking for information on trusted places, like the medical associations.
Thats not to say there aren’t side effects, there’s always risk with medical decisions. On both sides.
There are many trans kids who kill them selves because transitioning isnt an option available to them. So saying ‘no’ to it, also has real risks.
Edit: I provided a link in another reply
https://www.jeremypbushnell.com/unfinished_everything/The history of puberty blockers - affirmative care.html
I did, and then I asked a question on this forum after reading over conflicting answers from what I thought were decent sources and other forums.
This is a politics forum for conversation. It’s silly not to ask questions on a forum that any user on the thread can answer. That’s one of the prime benefits of the Internet - asking questions and conversing with people around the world while learning things.
Either way, thanks for providing the link.
Delayed edit: here’s the last article I pulled up that talked about potential bone density and neuro issues that were not yet studied enough.
https://politifact.com/article/2023/aug/28/puberty-blockers-the-facts-and-the-myths/
My full opnion on what I’m am expert in is already posted in this thread. My own health care and experience.
You asked for a viewpoint on one I can not provide. As I’m not a medical care expert. I defer to those I’ve already mentioned.
And that doesn’t really address the second part. Your asking a trans woman to be an expert in something the vast majority of us are not. Your asking a minority to be an expert and a representivie of the community as a whole. Rather than the individual they are. My background is physics. I can answer quantum questions no problem. I can even talk stattics in a lot of different contexts. But medical care is not one.
Its a common, but overhwleming, ask to be that expert, representative, or (calling it what it is) token.
Thats why I’m rejecting the question. Not because it was asked in bad faith. But That it has no business being asked of a random asshat on the internet. And at no point should you trust the answer anyways.
I’m replying to your comment as an open question for you or anyone else on the forum to respond to. Sorry for the confusion: the question is not only for you.
Delayed edit: I should have prefaced my original response to make this more clear and not make it seem like the pressure was on you. My bad.
Except we do make this choice as children.
The ones who won’t leave the children alone are the freaks who try to enforce cisnormative gender expression onto children.
Please just leave the kids alone and let them continue to exist as the trans kids they are.
Have you ever met an 8 year-old? They barely know what they want to eat for lunch most days. They have neither the life experience or knowledge to have to make a decision.
Society forces gender norms, and thus binary status, on children when we should just let them be kids. Why is this controversial?
Choosing to present as their assigned gender at birth is also a decision. It is not a neutral choice. Not all but many trans kids know they are trans, know that presenting in ways they would prefer is not safe or accepted, and suffer in silence.
Those are the kids we are trying to protect when we want to preserve trans Healthcare for children.
Look, I’m a trans woman, and I ‘knew’ at that age. Did i know what it was? No!
But I clearly wasnt acting like a boy either. They know.
I agree that the constructs are stupid. Thats not the conterveraal thing you said though.
At that age you know what is appropriate gender affirming care? Calling them whatever random bullshit name they want to be called, and however they want to be referred to. For most children, it could just be a phase. But there’s no harm in indulging age appropriate care.
You absolutely wouldn’t be saying any of this if your 8 year old kept walking into the wrong bathroom. Nobody would say oh, that’s normal because kids just can’t be expected to know which bathroom they go in at that age, or whether they call their mom ‘she’ or ‘he’. You fully expect an eight year old to have a firm grasp on the basics of gender, but not to be able to think about how they feel about how any of it applies to them?
They may not have what you consider deep thoughts, but trying to deny them their own sense of self because it makes you uncomfortable is going to fuck your kid up. Ask me how I know. Maybe they hop around in identities; so fucking what? 8 is the perfect time to be doing that, well before worrying about the irreversible effects of puberty and having to make decisions about blockers.
Further down in this post I have linked to studies showing 97.5% of all 8 year olds remain trans and know by the age of 5.
We understand ourselves as children far better than you give us credit for.
Just leave us alone. Our only problem is not being taught the words to describe ourselves and that we can transition.
Sounds like you haven’t raised your kid to be particularly articulate or willing to share their feelings with you.
My comment was removed by a mod for Rule 4. Bullshit. I said nothing trolling or low-effort. I asked why we’re even bothering kids and making them forced to choose.
This is a fucking political community. Asking questions in good faith should not be censored because of mod opinions.