Sure and work right past them by electing progressives and DSA members.
But for non voters i fear we can shame them, worship them, do everything they want and it still wont matter. They don’t vote because it makes them feel superior. Its not about politics, its about needing to feel justified in their belief that they are better. It’s just ego. Others are just myopic and act helpless. Until they start getting marched into camps, then they might start to see why voting always matters.
I’ve watched it over and over, a candidate will agree with someone on 99% of issues, finally a candidate these voters can get behind. Most of those non voters still stay home. They’ll find one issue they disagree with, or they’ll say it doesn’t matter anyway, that every candidate is controlled opposition. I’ve worked in politics, I’ve seen the data, I’ve courted those voters. Until non voters actually show up, mocking them is probably just as good a use of time as any (I’m maybe being flippant here).
Inaction is nearly as big an evil in society as bad action.
Inaction is nearly as big an evil in society as bad action.
You can’t be neutral on a moving train and all that. Also, Rush: “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”.
The non-voters that pay attention, but still stay home over some performative bullshit are the most exasperating.
It’s one thing to be low-info; it’s quite another to be a lazy/uncaring asshole that still has an awareness of politics, but because your pet issue didn’t get enough care, or the candidate did not properly court a certain group to then bow out, and then - this is the best part - to act like they are morally superior beings because of that inaction. Oh, chef’s kiss on that last part.
Whatever. As long as politicians keep promising to respect democracy and serving people then when they will they do the opposite many people will not vote. When some new politicians seems more trusty and bring something new like Mamdani the turnout get bigger . His election has highest voter turnout for an NYC mayoral race since 1969
I’m still trying to figure out what the first half of that is even trying to say, so I’m not sure how to respond to it.
As for running more candidates like Mamdani, you’ll get no argument from me there. I’m happy with his performance so far, and the performance of others like him. The time is ripe for a sea change. People are ready for it.
Even so, sometimes and in some districts, damage control / harm reduction is necessary, and sometimes a strategic vote means voting for the least bad option. Not everyone has a progressive on the ticket, although they should.
But I’d still vote for a milquetoast centrist if the only other option is a mask-off fascist, and it’s wild that some people still see things differently
How did they give us Donvict? Donvict was and is clearly a reaction - an all-too-predictable one, by they way - from reactionaries that had their brains utterly broken by having a black President for 8 years.
I don’t see how it makes any sense to go all Murc’s Law on Democratic candidates, but the voters, most especially Republican voters and non-voters, are blameless?
Most politicians are not reliable so people lose hope and stop voting yet people like you keep critisizing the voters and not the politicians
Oh I am far more angry at the Dem party. Not voting is still moronic.
Moronic or not, you make them vote by pressuring the politicians. Shaming them will not improve the chance of them starting voting again.
Sure and work right past them by electing progressives and DSA members.
But for non voters i fear we can shame them, worship them, do everything they want and it still wont matter. They don’t vote because it makes them feel superior. Its not about politics, its about needing to feel justified in their belief that they are better. It’s just ego. Others are just myopic and act helpless. Until they start getting marched into camps, then they might start to see why voting always matters.
I’ve watched it over and over, a candidate will agree with someone on 99% of issues, finally a candidate these voters can get behind. Most of those non voters still stay home. They’ll find one issue they disagree with, or they’ll say it doesn’t matter anyway, that every candidate is controlled opposition. I’ve worked in politics, I’ve seen the data, I’ve courted those voters. Until non voters actually show up, mocking them is probably just as good a use of time as any (I’m maybe being flippant here).
Inaction is nearly as big an evil in society as bad action.
You can’t be neutral on a moving train and all that. Also, Rush: “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”.
The non-voters that pay attention, but still stay home over some performative bullshit are the most exasperating.
It’s one thing to be low-info; it’s quite another to be a lazy/uncaring asshole that still has an awareness of politics, but because your pet issue didn’t get enough care, or the candidate did not properly court a certain group to then bow out, and then - this is the best part - to act like they are morally superior beings because of that inaction. Oh, chef’s kiss on that last part.
He’s criticizing the non-voters.
And i blame the system and politcians that allowed so much people to feel so desperate that they decide to not vote
A lot of things can be blameworthy.
If they were that desperate you’d think they would at least cast a vote, even against all hope. That’s what desperation means.
The word you were looking for is resigned. People felt so resigned that they decided not to vote.
Whatever. As long as politicians keep promising to respect democracy and serving people then when they will they do the opposite many people will not vote. When some new politicians seems more trusty and bring something new like Mamdani the turnout get bigger . His election has highest voter turnout for an NYC mayoral race since 1969
I’m still trying to figure out what the first half of that is even trying to say, so I’m not sure how to respond to it.
As for running more candidates like Mamdani, you’ll get no argument from me there. I’m happy with his performance so far, and the performance of others like him. The time is ripe for a sea change. People are ready for it.
Even so, sometimes and in some districts, damage control / harm reduction is necessary, and sometimes a strategic vote means voting for the least bad option. Not everyone has a progressive on the ticket, although they should.
But I’d still vote for a milquetoast centrist if the only other option is a mask-off fascist, and it’s wild that some people still see things differently
This is a democracy. Are you saying the voters deserve no criticism when we end up with Republicans?
Shitty establishememt democratic politicians gave you trump . Yes in democracies politicians are the one who should get critisized
How did they give us Donvict? Donvict was and is clearly a reaction - an all-too-predictable one, by they way - from reactionaries that had their brains utterly broken by having a black President for 8 years.
I don’t see how it makes any sense to go all Murc’s Law on Democratic candidates, but the voters, most especially Republican voters and non-voters, are blameless?