• tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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    That’s only because in the original sentence it’s talking about things generally (eg “strawberries are red”), so it needs a plural or a mass noun, which is the case in the original sentence. You could say “Quarterbacks Packers draft” instead. Or think of a team name that can’t use “the”, like “goalies West Ham United signed”.

    The point of the buffalo sentence is that it’s technically grammatically correct, even if it sounds awkward. It’s a really famous sentence among linguists, so do you really think all the language nerds who’ve seen it have missed that it’s actually not grammatical and needs a relative pronoun?

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      Quaterback Twins Greenbay Packers draft, play Detroit Lions.

      Nope. Still missing a word.

      If the sentence was technically grammatically correct then a direct substitution of all 8 words (without adding more) should make sense.

      I’ve already provided a counter example where it doesn’t make sense. I’ll drop my argument if you can find one that does.

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        Quaterback Twins Greenbay Packers draft, play Detroit Lions.

        This sounds fine to me (although I wouldn’t use the comma), I dunno what to tell you. Maybe it’s different in your idiolect, but again, do you really think you’re picking up on something that countless other linguists missed?

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          Without an additional word between words 2 and 3, this is just a list. That’s why it makes no sense.

          You only think it makes sense because you are adding in words subconsciously.

          Still waiting for an example that actually works.

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            You only think it makes sense because you are adding in words subconsciously.

            do you really think you’re picking up on something that countless other linguists missed?

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              Well, given that there isn’t a similar sentence that makes sense (without inserting words). Yes.

              I mean, I appreciate that it’s a bit of linguistic fun dreamt up by Dmitri Borgmann. But it’s flawed. It needs an additional (non-buffalo) word to make proper sense.