yes but will any of them take a actual step in the right direction like degoogling and/or closing their Meta or Xitter accounts?
Edit: After thinking about this yesterday I realized I was wrong. I am indeed frustrated with the inaction of the American people and their letting loose of a menace that is literally killing thousands around the world and just making everything miserable in its path. However, these graduates were actually doing something to fight power; I should have commended their walk out, not complain about shortcomings.
Leaving the original comment up (but stroked through) so the thread below makes sense for those who come in later.
A prestigious college that is internationally recognised or just like some backwater degree mill? The reason I’m asking is because you have such an utterly stupid take on the subject that I can’t take you seriously.
Choosing not to sit in a crowded room while people read names for 2 more hours so someone can hand you a fake placeholder diploma (the real one is mailed later) isn’t some grand sacrifice.
I like that it happened because it’s embarrassing for Pichai. Bit there is no price to be paid by the students as far as I can tell.
When Karl Rove spoke at my college when I was a student, I was part of the angry audience that lead to him ending his address 20 minutes early and leaving with his security detail forming a crowd around him. It was a cool moment, but it didn’t cost me anything.
And I think that’s the bigger takeaway. It doesn’t have to cost you anything to stand up to these assholes.
It have to cost you anything to stand up to these assholes.
Why? Why you gate keeping protesting? They didn’t protest hard enough for you so you’re not happy with it.
That is an insane worldview you’ve got there, it’s utterly reductive, “if you don’t do everything exactly the way I want then you might as well not do anything at all” great messaging that, I’m sure you’ll recruit loads of followers.
You should go into politics, they love purity tests over there.
Not really. I mean, other than the headline, what consequences are stemming from this?
People here seem to think a good burn is going to stop these monsters.
I mean we can all say we hate AI but while OpenAI continues to have a billion active monthly users, they will never stop
BTW I got that number from an article today saying OpenAI was “in trouble” because they are DOWN to that number as apparently Gemini is stealing all the users…
No huge consequences, you’re right. Probably annoyed the CEO. But 200 people degoogling? Even people running metrics every day at Google wouldn’t notice. It would be great if everyone degoogled, but until that trend starts getting much more traction than it has now it will have no measurable impact, and making more people think about how Google is evil is the only way to increase that traction.
I imagine having a few billion dollars as your net worth raises your threshold to being annoyed by this kind of stuff a bit. Hopefully it did get the attention of whomever thought it was a good idea to invite an evil corporate overlord to an academic graduation though.
I mean, I’ll throw my experience in: I broke up with G for everything except YouTube and the Google Store, to finance pixel devices. That was a decade ago, and I have made no active attempts to get others to do the same, yet about half my friend circle have expressed interest in following me, with a couple taking steps on their own. One is actively researching alternative roms and used pixel phones, in the last week. Again, I’ve made no effort to push them - just mentioning it when it comes up in conversation.
Imagine 200 people doing that, and making the tiniest effort to actively educate others. Domimo effect. Just look at what is happening right now with Windows v Linux. It only takes a few to get the ball rolling on meaningful change.
And it’s not just 200 people in isolation. Their actions were viewed and reported on. Hopefully it gets people thinking about their Google usage. Also yewtu.be is a good alternative to YouTube by the way, so is FreeTube, which at least makes you one step removed from YouTube and using a VPN. I haven’t used Google products willingly in years.
Well that was not my point… my point is that if a significant number of the people that allegedly hate AI/Google/BigCorpo were to actively get rid of their products, there would be an impact.
You are right that 200 is nothing but the real problem, IMO, is that people LOVE the show but not the action. I read hundreds of posts everywhere about how we must fight yet nobody seems to want to get off their chairs
I don’t, which is why I posted my comment as a question.
I can tell you I doubt it since I lost track of how many people (here for example) complain bitterly about the big tech companies and still hold active accounts in all of them seemingly unable to stop giving those companies “they hate” all the power they want
The people whom you’re posing the question to (other Lemmy users) aren’t in any position to answer the question, and you (should) know that. Therefore, your “question” wasn’t asked in good faith and was instead merely a rhetorical tool used to “present false or distorted claims by framing them as questions.”
Yes, this tactic is often used by conspiracy theorists, but they don’t have a monopoly on it, as you so clearly demonstrated.
The people whom you’re posing the question to (other Lemmy users) aren’t in any position to answer the question, and you (should) know that. Therefore, your “question” wasn’t asked in good faith and was instead merely a rhetorical tool used to “present false or distorted claims by framing them as questions.”
Since you cannot possibly know what is going on in my head, you are basically just projecting your own intentions here
Is it elevator music? The way you’ve chosen to conduct yourself makes me think that much does go on in your head. You’ve chosen to be angry about something you’ve made up.
Same reason I post anything here, to get some feedback.
I have no proof and zero reason to think the people that reply to my woodworking questions know more than I do, but that is the leap of faith we all do in social media, no?
So far, one person replied to me with some good points, others just didn’t like my post and threw a tantrum. I try to ignore the tantrums and learn from the good posts to the best of my abilities.
yes but will any of them take a actual step in the right direction like degoogling and/or closing their Meta or Xitter accounts?Edit: After thinking about this yesterday I realized I was wrong. I am indeed frustrated with the inaction of the American people and their letting loose of a menace that is literally killing thousands around the world and just making everything miserable in its path. However, these graduates were actually doing something to fight power; I should have commended their walk out, not complain about shortcomings.
Leaving the original comment up (but stroked through) so the thread below makes sense for those who come in later.
They literally walked out of their Standford graduation. I’m sure they have the willpower to stop using those platforms.
Why do you feel the need to be smug toward people that obviously share the same viewpoint as you?
They walked out of an extremely boring ceremony. That’s nothing.
Do you not know anyone who’s graduated from college? I know quite a few, and graduation was a big deal for all of them.
Before you criticize, what have you sacrificed for the same cause?
I teach at a college. The ceremony is so Mom can come get a picture. There’s a reason so many grad students don’t go to theirs.
A prestigious college that is internationally recognised or just like some backwater degree mill? The reason I’m asking is because you have such an utterly stupid take on the subject that I can’t take you seriously.
A major state university with 45,000 students.
Choosing not to sit in a crowded room while people read names for 2 more hours so someone can hand you a fake placeholder diploma (the real one is mailed later) isn’t some grand sacrifice.
I like that it happened because it’s embarrassing for Pichai. Bit there is no price to be paid by the students as far as I can tell.
When Karl Rove spoke at my college when I was a student, I was part of the angry audience that lead to him ending his address 20 minutes early and leaving with his security detail forming a crowd around him. It was a cool moment, but it didn’t cost me anything.
And I think that’s the bigger takeaway. It doesn’t have to cost you anything to stand up to these assholes.
Why? Why you gate keeping protesting? They didn’t protest hard enough for you so you’re not happy with it.
That is an insane worldview you’ve got there, it’s utterly reductive, “if you don’t do everything exactly the way I want then you might as well not do anything at all” great messaging that, I’m sure you’ll recruit loads of followers.
You should go into politics, they love purity tests over there.
I dropped a word there. “It doesn’t have to cost…”
Even if they didn’t, this was inestimably more impactful than a couple hundred people degoogling.
Not really. I mean, other than the headline, what consequences are stemming from this?
People here seem to think a good burn is going to stop these monsters.
I mean we can all say we hate AI but while OpenAI continues to have a billion active monthly users, they will never stop
BTW I got that number from an article today saying OpenAI was “in trouble” because they are DOWN to that number as apparently Gemini is stealing all the users…
No huge consequences, you’re right. Probably annoyed the CEO. But 200 people degoogling? Even people running metrics every day at Google wouldn’t notice. It would be great if everyone degoogled, but until that trend starts getting much more traction than it has now it will have no measurable impact, and making more people think about how Google is evil is the only way to increase that traction.
I imagine having a few billion dollars as your net worth raises your threshold to being annoyed by this kind of stuff a bit. Hopefully it did get the attention of whomever thought it was a good idea to invite an evil corporate overlord to an academic graduation though.
I mean, I’ll throw my experience in: I broke up with G for everything except YouTube and the Google Store, to finance pixel devices. That was a decade ago, and I have made no active attempts to get others to do the same, yet about half my friend circle have expressed interest in following me, with a couple taking steps on their own. One is actively researching alternative roms and used pixel phones, in the last week. Again, I’ve made no effort to push them - just mentioning it when it comes up in conversation.
Imagine 200 people doing that, and making the tiniest effort to actively educate others. Domimo effect. Just look at what is happening right now with Windows v Linux. It only takes a few to get the ball rolling on meaningful change.
And it’s not just 200 people in isolation. Their actions were viewed and reported on. Hopefully it gets people thinking about their Google usage. Also yewtu.be is a good alternative to YouTube by the way, so is FreeTube, which at least makes you one step removed from YouTube and using a VPN. I haven’t used Google products willingly in years.
Well that was not my point… my point is that if a significant number of the people that allegedly hate AI/Google/BigCorpo were to actively get rid of their products, there would be an impact.
You are right that 200 is nothing but the real problem, IMO, is that people LOVE the show but not the action. I read hundreds of posts everywhere about how we must fight yet nobody seems to want to get off their chairs
These people literally got off their chairs during their college graduation from a prestigious university to protest the shit Google is doing!
Each person who did that made a bigger impact, and probably a bigger sacrifice, than a person who degoogled. That was my point.
Ultimately we need people to degoogle, but until way more people pay attention to why they should, it will remain a niche thing.
Fair point… maybe I am just too frustrated to see the small gains
not working for google hurts them more than someone degoogling.
that is actually true…
THEY LITERALLY TOOK ACTION. THAT’S WHY THERE’S A STORY.
How do you know they haven’t already?
I don’t, which is why I posted my comment as a question.
I can tell you I doubt it since I lost track of how many people (here for example) complain bitterly about the big tech companies and still hold active accounts in all of them seemingly unable to stop giving those companies “they hate” all the power they want
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions
Sometimes a question is just a question… not a conspiracy theory
The people whom you’re posing the question to (other Lemmy users) aren’t in any position to answer the question, and you (should) know that. Therefore, your “question” wasn’t asked in good faith and was instead merely a rhetorical tool used to “present false or distorted claims by framing them as questions.”
Yes, this tactic is often used by conspiracy theorists, but they don’t have a monopoly on it, as you so clearly demonstrated.
Since you cannot possibly know what is going on in my head, you are basically just projecting your own intentions here
Is it elevator music? The way you’ve chosen to conduct yourself makes me think that much does go on in your head. You’ve chosen to be angry about something you’ve made up.
Oh my, the hypocrisy that dwells in that comment. You’re a special kind of animal.
Well, it’s highly unlikely that any of them are here, so I don’t know why you’re asking us then.
Same reason I post anything here, to get some feedback.
I have no proof and zero reason to think the people that reply to my woodworking questions know more than I do, but that is the leap of faith we all do in social media, no?
So far, one person replied to me with some good points, others just didn’t like my post and threw a tantrum. I try to ignore the tantrums and learn from the good posts to the best of my abilities.