I literally described a situation in which AI has a practical use. If you’re going to disagree, fine - but at least acknowledge where the disagreement is instead of replying without (apparently) having read my comment.
I believe I read somewhere that AI capacity and hence potential usage is going up about 12% per year. That could turn out to be a lot but it would have to go on for a long time to end up significant compared to the actually large polluters.
AI energy usage for a single person is (very roughly) comparable to having the TV on or playing a video game on a high spec PC. Even if the only benefit it gives anyone is the same mild pleasure you get from watching TV, we accept that using energy for these purposes is worthwhile. So, despite this topic recurring constantly, no-one has given a sensible reason why we should particularly call out AI for its energy usage.
Of course, there’s a readily available explanation for why people do it: people hate it with an irrational passion. So they criticise all aspects of it, whether reasonably or not.
So if we agree that AI doesn’t need to use that much power; then we agree that we don’t need to spend that much money on hyper scalers or on data centers and that the AI goons can run their shit locally. This conversation is useless. the AI bros. can “run their own local model for the energy cost of watching tv” like you argument.
We don’t want this crap, easy as that, we don’t need data centers to be built. The AI bros that want to use AI for niche applications can use a local model. I don’t want an AI data center in my state or even my country. I don’t want my country to trash their own infrastructure by putting all investment in a dead end like AI. Super intelligence will never come. AGI will never come. I rather invest on people than on the delusions of the pedophiles and snake oil salesmen that follow the effective altruist movement. And i will never use AI. And i don’t care about the technology. I want to own my tech locally and not be renting compute to nazis and idiots like Sam Altman or Elon Musk.
Also AI industries will never make it’s investment back because in order to make a profit from that investment it needs something that resembles massive adoption and people paying for it. (or fucking over every computer user by turning them into subscribers for cloud compute.) And that won’t happen because if their wild predictions come true, nobody will have a job in that scenario. Renting AI for things you don’t do for a living is incredibly stupid.
The most likely scenario is that Hyper scalers and AI companies are hitting a wall and this is just a bribe for the US government to bail them out when they crash the economy. In my opinion when the crash comes these snake oil salesmen should be put in jail; not bailed out.
I literally described a situation in which AI has a practical use. If you’re going to disagree, fine - but at least acknowledge where the disagreement is instead of replying without (apparently) having read my comment.
I believe I read somewhere that AI capacity and hence potential usage is going up about 12% per year. That could turn out to be a lot but it would have to go on for a long time to end up significant compared to the actually large polluters.
AI energy usage for a single person is (very roughly) comparable to having the TV on or playing a video game on a high spec PC. Even if the only benefit it gives anyone is the same mild pleasure you get from watching TV, we accept that using energy for these purposes is worthwhile. So, despite this topic recurring constantly, no-one has given a sensible reason why we should particularly call out AI for its energy usage.
Of course, there’s a readily available explanation for why people do it: people hate it with an irrational passion. So they criticise all aspects of it, whether reasonably or not.
So if we agree that AI doesn’t need to use that much power; then we agree that we don’t need to spend that much money on hyper scalers or on data centers and that the AI goons can run their shit locally. This conversation is useless. the AI bros. can “run their own local model for the energy cost of watching tv” like you argument.
We don’t want this crap, easy as that, we don’t need data centers to be built. The AI bros that want to use AI for niche applications can use a local model. I don’t want an AI data center in my state or even my country. I don’t want my country to trash their own infrastructure by putting all investment in a dead end like AI. Super intelligence will never come. AGI will never come. I rather invest on people than on the delusions of the pedophiles and snake oil salesmen that follow the effective altruist movement. And i will never use AI. And i don’t care about the technology. I want to own my tech locally and not be renting compute to nazis and idiots like Sam Altman or Elon Musk.
Also AI industries will never make it’s investment back because in order to make a profit from that investment it needs something that resembles massive adoption and people paying for it. (or fucking over every computer user by turning them into subscribers for cloud compute.) And that won’t happen because if their wild predictions come true, nobody will have a job in that scenario. Renting AI for things you don’t do for a living is incredibly stupid.
The most likely scenario is that Hyper scalers and AI companies are hitting a wall and this is just a bribe for the US government to bail them out when they crash the economy. In my opinion when the crash comes these snake oil salesmen should be put in jail; not bailed out.