Full title: EU’s new social media child protection rules to require all social media accounts to produce state ID - Leaked documents suggest that some existing accounts will also be subject to identification checks
Ursula von der Leyen, making the internet progressively worse year by year. Cookie banners, GDPR consent dialogs, and now ID verification. Please just retire and take up a different hobby, like knitting.
Neither Cookie banners nor GDPR consent dialogs need to be bad. They are only bad because companies try to do their shit. It’s companies not regulation that make Cookie banners and GDPR consent dialogs bad.
That said, the id-verification stuff is just pure awful for privacy concerns.
My freedom shouldn’t be implied cause some parent can’t use a parental control which is already mandatory in the eu. Your kids isn’t my responsability.
It s unreal that the “free world” want my id simply to go online.
Also same shit as rgpd. Only bigger website and corporation can afford putting million toward implementing thoses policiesbwhile all other won’t bother and just cut acces to be in compliance.
I hate how effective the whole “think of the children” rhetoric is. Every person I talked to about this irl is either indifferent or even in support because they want children protected and they “don’t do anything they need to hide” anyway so they don’t mind presenting an ID… I agree children should not be on social media, but it’s kinda just the parent’s responsibility to not let them near it and the tools are out there. Plus let’s not pretend kids aren’t smart enough to figure out there’s alternatives…
How is your freedom reduced tho, an app produces a yes or no, how is that a reduction of freedom. Search for zero-knowledge proof and the techniques behind it
Sources for ZKP: https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm Vulnerabilities: https://www.encryptionconsulting.com/education-center/what-is-ecdsa/ [Api2025] Rutchathon Chairattana-Apirom, Franklin Harding, Anna Lysyanskaya, and Stefano Tessaro, “Server-Aided Anonymous Credentials,” available at https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/513, 2025This is what it’s about. My daughter started reaching sites I had explicitly blocked in her phone and our home network (OPNSense + AdGuard Home) using a VPN.
I dis not blame the sites, or the ISP, or even the VPN provider. She has a PC and Phone because we, her parents, allowed it, so that’s on her for choosing to circumvent the security implemented, and on US for providing the means.
So, she has no access to any technology until further notice. Why the fuck does everyone have to pay because some of us are not parenting correctly?
I certainly don’t want any company or government deciding what my kids can or cannot have access to, that’s my role, not theirs.
Eliminating online privacy has always been framed as “protecting children” and it’s always been 100% about surveillance
I mean, why are they not using these resources to tackle child poverty, prosecute the epstein list or the panama papers if they want to help children so fucking badly?
Bingo!
The framework is anonymous and open source.
Even if it’s secure (no software is ever 100% secure), it can’t be anonymous. How could they verify your ID? Maybe they theoretically don’t store the record, and the checks after the first don’t provide it, it can’t be anonymous or it’s worthless for ID verification.
That’s the cool part, they found a way to keep it anonymous and still be ID verification, it’s called a white card, a simple yes or no if you’re 18+, it’s like you get a simple white card from a verified institution like a bank saying you’re 18+ with no other information like… How is that not anonymous?
Search for zero-knowledge proof, and the techniques behind it
Whatsapp is less safe than this
Sources for ZKP: https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm Vulnerabilities: https://www.encryptionconsulting.com/education-center/what-is-ecdsa/ [Api2025] Rutchathon Chairattana-Apirom, Franklin Harding, Anna Lysyanskaya, and Stefano Tessaro, “Server-Aided Anonymous Credentials,” available at https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/513, 2025
This will just push the actual criminals further underground, while everyone else gets spied on. lose-lose.
Yeah, no.
Can they just stop pretending these laws are not about eroding privacy and be honest for ounce.
even taking the pretense at face value, this would just be adults damning kids who are queer, autistic and/or in abusive households/communities (among others) and patting themselves on the back
always scrambling to “protect” kids without ever considering their needs or why they engage in the behavior they do at all
(assuming they’re not just seen as defective goods to be either “corrected” or disposed of, of course)
Imperial units detected
If you give these people 25.4 millimetres they’ll take 1.6 kilometres.
EU’s new social media
child protectionstate surveillance rules to require all social media accounts to produce state IDFTFY
How else is Mrs. von der Leyen supposed to sue people that speak badly about EU politicians?
If she wasn’t corrupt and incompetent people wouldn’t say that about her, so maybe she should improve her bad reputation or step down as incompetent supreme.
You’re talking about someone that had her floor in the EU building fortified, only allowing access for a few selected people. Does that look like she intends to improve her reputation to you?
That stuff would 100% get leaked and ruin many lives. Hell it would ruin lives even if only authorized authorities have access to it because some perverted cops or politicians will abuse it to stalk women and children. They‘re already doing it but getting a live feed of someone’s online activity by typing in a single number makes it so much more convenient for bad actors. And it would also get leaked on top of it.
Leak what? Nobody at any point stores any documents and you would know that if any of you read the OPEN SOURCE framework the EU developed.
It’s not about storing documents but about privacy. Do you want police officer in front your doors that checks identity of people that come to your house to talk with you ?
How does the police officer know its you and where you live lmao? that’s not how it works… the state ID produces a yes or no if you’re older than 18 which can’t be tracked, a yes or no has no information about the user… So a police officer can never know it was you lol what. Research zero-knowledge proof and the techniques behind it
Sources for ZKP: https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm Vulnerabilities: https://www.encryptionconsulting.com/education-center/what-is-ecdsa/ [Api2025] Rutchathon Chairattana-Apirom, Franklin Harding, Anna Lysyanskaya, and Stefano Tessaro, “Server-Aided Anonymous Credentials,” available at https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/513, 2025
Well if everyone’s identity is stolen then I guess your identity will mean nothing.
Ironically, kids might still get around the new restriction by using a virtual private network (VPN) connection, which virtually positions the computer in another country, at the time of signing up.
This is just going to be one long pointless game of whackamole and as effective as Prohibition was in the US.
The US claim they are going after the VPN companies now too. Of course it could be all lies and deflection like most things they say now.
That’s nonsense, VPN is tool needed to run companies. Even if they make VPNs business only, people will just register fake businesses
It’s not just about business use, but citizen access to content. I looked it up and this is the stage it’s at now https://gizmodo.com/the-first-us-law-targeting-vpn-use-takes-effect-september-3-heres-what-happen-2000805001
The new law is narrow. VPN companies say they can’t do it. Fines for businesses that don’t are real. It’s all a little strange.
Very few people will set up their own business or technical venture, though. That’s enough to have a chilling effect.
EU being shitty as always.
Honestly? State ID is better than the current solution which is giving Thiel-affiliated companies photo and other data.
Ideally I’d rather have a governments provided digital ID that’s more secure and just gives the company limited metadata instead of full ID info provided from gov’t to company. Put in rules requiring warrants or subpoenas for lookups.
Who do you think is checking those ids? Hint: it’s not the government, it’s some 3rd party company, always.
With cryptographic systems like the EU uses, it must go through the government because a 3rd party can’t implement that verification/response pattern without access to the proper gov’t cryptographic secrets.
Did you at any point actually read the open-source, anonymous age-verfication framework to be used by the EU?
Yes, I did and I really do not like that they are using PlayIntegrity for Android phones. That forces everybody in the EU onto unrooted phones which are controlled by google and will kill GrapheneOS and other alternatives.
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui/issues/133
The one that won’t even allow me tonuse the system if google dont like inuse my phone the way I want ? The one needes google verification to even launch.
No? What are you even talking about dude? You’re on a different topic
Yes. Look it. So it direct ban any linux phone or non certified google android phone wich if I want to modify my host file to not be submerged with ad I loose the certification
You are talking about something else. Show me.
Two chopsticks!
People are morons. Here we have an open source and anonymous framework for age-verifcation (free for anyone to read and check the source code: https://ageverification.dev/) developed by a people’s institution and people lump it into the same boat as some private USA company photocopying your ID.
People can be morons, but at least they’re not authority cocksuckers!
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