• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldOP
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    19 days ago

    What fucking rules?

    None of this has been vetted by Congress or the courts, or, more importantly, by the states; tiny-d donnie and his administration and his bootlicks in the USPS are just making shit up as they go, because they don’t want the normal democratic processes to work in this country.

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    18 days ago

    Everyone in this thread is crying for violence or strike or terrorism.

    Just fucking vote.

    Do not listen to the hexbears, the .ml bots, the morons.

    If Not Voting was an option it would dominate every single election cycle. Every single time.

    The problem with our system is nobody is engaging with it to have it work at 100% power.

    #If voting didn’t work they would not try so goddamn hard to discourage and discount your vote!

    And that doesn’t mean just you, get others to the poll. Convince Grandma republicans aren’t it this cycle.

    How do you expect a system to function properly if nobody is maintaining it? Look at New York. Look at how quickly they can fuck things up. It’s actually a lot easier to fix it. Fucking vote.

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      18 days ago

      Right? Same problem in Canada, we bitch and moan and will spend so much energy on so many things but our turnout is dogshit. The last Montréal municipal election had 36%, the last couple Ontario provincial elections had less than half, and the last federal election was only 69.5%. Last time the federal election saw more than 70% was in 1988.

      The honest fact of it all is that votes are currently not weighted differently. No matter how fucked things get, if populations said “NO” to these openly corrupt assholes then that would be the end of them. Instead, it feels like nothing will stop idiots from voting for pure evil and nothing will get 30+% of the population to actually pay any attention at all.

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      18 days ago

      No one is telling anybody not to vote. I think most of us here, if not all, are going to vote. And most will probably be voting blue, despite objections of a lot of us having establishment dem candidates.

      We just don’t have a lot of confidence in how this is going to turn out. It doesn’t look good at all.

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        18 days ago

        Yes they are all the time. I see the sentiment everywhere on lemmy. People are convinced voting is a sham and doesn’t work because people have not done their duty to defend voting.

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          18 days ago

          Yeah, no. You are just conflating doing more then one thing at a time with only doing one thing and being smug about it.

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            17 days ago

            Lol being smug?

            People should just vote. This push to leap to violence and destruction is exactly part of the playbook for everyone except the poor people who are actually going to suffer for it.

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              17 days ago

              Poor people are currently suffering from the attitude that people should just vote.

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                17 days ago

                No people are suffering from a dying democracy because they don’t go out to vote and then when faced with the death of their democracy, they want to instantly quit or shrug and say it’s already dead and commit to not doing anything and when you say shit like this you’re doing it too.

                “Dogs already choking guess I shouldn’t bother to help, he’s already done for” that’s your mentality.

                If people had voted you’d have a much different country. Different senators, different supreme court, different representatives every level. None of this bullshit.

                Did you know Reagan won in a landslide election with only about 50% voter turnout which at the time was the lowest turnout in almost 30 years?

                Every election roughly 30% of the population votes for the candidate that wins. 30%.

                And these are just presidential elections, the numbers are worse for local elections and midterms.

                Did you know AOC’s election which is regarded as a huge step in the changing demographic of our Congress upset a 14 year stranglehold by the same candidate who held that seat unopposed and she only won by a tiny margin in an election where 13% came out to vote.

                The guy she beat was one seen as a great pick for speaker of the house. Now he’s nobody. 13% barely managed to shift the course of this country. Now look at the state of NYC. Say what you want about AOC but her victory did mark a shift and it is absolutely for the better.

                Just fucking vote dude

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            17 days ago

            Nope, I’ve literally been banned from instances for telling people to vote (while also doing other things at the same time). There are absolutely tons of lemmings who actively discourage voting.

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            17 days ago

            The ones being smug are those who insult anyone who says to vote, while throwing out all their keyboard warrior battlecries while also doing nothing, and then always having an excuse why it’s not their responsibility to do the thing they’re shaming everyone else for not doing.

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              17 days ago

              Oh so those outside of the states should what? Invade?

              The projection on expecting everyone else to fix your mess is insane. And no you don’t get to call foul when non americans share their opinion with you about your shit ass nation, as this is what america has done to everyone else (and still is) for as long as I have been alive. Don’t like it? Then fix your shit. How you do that (at this point you are doing nothing but defending your poor nation from your keyboard) is up to you.

              So please, try and not put words in peoples mouths.

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                16 days ago

                Exhibit A. Thank you for demonstrating.

                So please, try and not put words in peoples mouths.

                This is so fucking ironic, especially paired with you’re accusing me of projection. I didn’t project a damn thing, and I never said I expect “everyone else to fix” “my” mess. All I said was that you’re a smug little keyboard warrior who isn’t contributing anything to the solution.

                (at this point you are doing nothing but defending your poor nation from your keyboard)

                Fuck all the way off with that shit. You have no clue what I do or don’t do, and I’m not about to hand you my resumé, but pretending that I’m defending this hellhole is a new level of asinine.

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                  16 days ago

                  Fuck all the way off with that shit. You have no clue what I do or don’t do, and I’m not about to hand you my resumé, but pretending that I’m defending this hellhole is a new level of asinine.

                  Same as you putting words in the mouths of non americans. We don’t own you shit, and that includes dealing with your problems inside your own nation.

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                16 days ago

                I love this vacuum every single country hides behind blaming America while simultaneously doing awful shit itself or directly benefitting from that relationship.

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                  16 days ago

                  Not hiding behind america, not putting any claims on Cuba or Greenland or anyone, and really really not getting anything “good” from our relationship with the states.

                  If everyone says you guys suck, it must clearly be the whole world that is stupid, right?

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      17 days ago

      They are literally trying to not make voting work and possibly stole the last one. I will not be the least bit surprised if the least popular president of all time manages to magically pull off a red wave in November, and if he does, then the riots need to happen.

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      17 days ago

      What we need to do is fine everyone om their taxes if they don’t vote. Even $100 would do wonders.

      Could even flip it and give them a $200 credit on thier taxes (not a payout) and watch people show up on droves.

      Unfortunately tracking that sounds like a PITA trying to keep it anonymous. Maybe hand out vouchers when people leave the booths.

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      17 days ago

      No, use every tool at your disposal. Vote and throw a brick through your local Republican politician’s window.

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        17 days ago

        How about organize a strike before you try to push for violence. Otherwise you’re asking to not only hurt yourself but others around you and gain literally nothing.

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          17 days ago

          Dude its not hard to stand outside a politicians house and yell at them. The brick is honestly optional but its how we got our rights. This is how you have to do it in America. Band together and make the politicians scared. It shouldn’t have to be this way but if you look into history its no accident the police became so militarized.

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    The Postal Service wants to require that both the “outbound” envelope carrying the ballot to the voter and the “inbound” envelope bringing the ballot back to the election office have a barcode for automated tracking that’s unique to each voter.

    No more secret ballots?

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      18 days ago

      Yeah this is kind scary. Let’s open up this ballot and see who he voted for so we can put him on our ICE harassment list.

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        17 days ago

        Since trump got back in office, over half of my mail and packages have been opened and taped back shut (without the usual slip notifying me of inspection).

        Usually they do an ass job taping it closed too, things could literally just fall out and a couple times I’ve had items missing that were on the manifest…

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    18 days ago

    WHEN ARE YOU FUCKERS GONNA START SETTING YOUR FOOT DOWN?

    CALL A FUCKING GENERAL STRIKE.

    Americans make movies depicting themselves as badasses ready to fight for freedom, while in reality they can’t even do the most basic thing to defend their democracy.
    Not to mention how their shit spills out all over the world.

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      18 days ago

      You mean like the one my entire city did this year? Unless everyone is on board it doesnt work. And not everyone is. Theres still a strong perxentage of the country rooting for this and a large portion that just doesnt care or thinks it will blow over.

      Even though the 1% are fucking over the 99%, its not 99% against the 1% its more like 50% of the most evil and vile people with the vast majority of guns against the other 50%

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      18 days ago

      WHEN ARE YOU FUCKERS

      I’m just gonna mention it’s historically been a lot easier for people to send others into the fray than go themselves. I think we called those people chickenhawks, in the day, but I don’t think it applies here.

      Still, it’s an important historical point.

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      18 days ago

      I wish we were, badasses that is. Most of those badasses with weapons are more like gravy seals that probably like all this racist bullshit. Most of us are too scared to get noticed like this. I’m not sure what it would take to rile us up to do something about it. Right now I feel like we are the frogs in the pot that is slowly being heated up and everyone is just waiting for it to be over.

      Don’t get me wrong I’m pissed but I have too many people relying on me to cause too much trouble. And I imagine I’m not the only one like that.

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    18 days ago

    Vote no matter what. Vote early, by mail, avoid voting on Election Day. Make a plan we will have to treat voting like it’s a disaster evacuation. Go in a group, stay safe and informed everyone.

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    18 days ago

    Serious request: I don’t have any background in political science. Can someone help me work through this hypothetical situation?

    Blue politicians call for a general strike to protest the activities of the Trump administration. Let’s assume everyone in the country knows about it.

    In which states does it actually happen? What industries are most impacted? What percentage of the adult population in those states takes part? How long does it last? What does Trump do in retaliation to those states? Is it effective?

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      I ran it by an llm and it seemed thoughtful about it, it uses MN as a model since it had the highest participation rate earlier in the year. Here is some of what it returned:

      Based on the Minnesota model, union density data (BLS 2025), and what actually happened on May 1, here’s a reasonable extrapolation for states most likely to see a replicated “full” general strike (i.e., businesses/schools actually closing, not just rallies):

      Effectiveness ceiling: A one-day strike in any single state (even NY) would not paralyze the national economy. The real leverage is simultaneous multi-state action — if MN + NY + IL + CA + WA + NJ all hit the “Minnesota threshold” on the same day, you’d see:

      ~30–40% of the national MTA-equivalent transit system down 200+ school districts closed Major port disruptions (LA, NY/NJ, Seattle) Boeing/Amazon/Apple supply chain hit

      Edit: check for accuracy

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        It’s a start. Do we think those 6 states would join a general strike? Maybe the goal shouldn’t be a nation-wide strike per se, but a coordinated strike across consistently blue (city, state, fed), high-population regions. That way, the conversation shifts from “it can’t happen” to “where does it need to happen”.

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    18 days ago

    All states except Alabama, New Hampshire, and Mississippi offer some kind of no-excuse early voting you can do, from days to weeks. New Hampshire and Mississippi require an excuse, while Alabama offers NO early voting whatsoever.

    I bet they think voting is only done day-of or by mail, cuz thats what the numbers probably show, so thats what they focus on.