Proton is a stellar VPN, but people cannot live without dragging out an old twitter post about a CEO praising the instauration of some judge by trump. That’s it. That’s all the critic that has been found over the years.
Mullvad is super fasho and show me one that doesn’t store and sell all the data…
Its unfortunate they really only name and shame random shovelware vpns it looks like. So it feels difficult to tell whether their points apply to any other real options people have heard of before…
Yeah, it would be nice to have an actual list so we’re not reliant on their numbers alone.
But unfortunately telling only half the story is something Proton seems to do quite a lot.
On the bright side, the actual privacy data for this was by Proton’s own admission from Exodus, so while its probably not feasible for you to skim 65K apps on your own, you can at least see the data for specific VPN apps you might be worried about.
Yeah true enough. Even if the data they’ve got was 100% accurate and easy to prove in court, they’d still be stuck having to pay out the arse for lawyers just to appear in court.
Any chance of seeing the list broken down by ownership and trackers?
It seems a bit pointless otherwise.
Not important, this is just a disguised advertisement for Proton VPN.
Just because it is, doesn’t mean it can’t contain useful data.
See also: https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/
I know lol, I was being facetious. 😉 I also want to see the list.
I don’t see a problem with that.
It can be healthy to question your sources and their motives. 👍
Proton is a stellar VPN, but people cannot live without dragging out an old twitter post about a CEO praising the instauration of some judge by trump. That’s it. That’s all the critic that has been found over the years.
Mullvad is super fasho and show me one that doesn’t store and sell all the data…
Kind of like that Nazi salute people just can’t seem to forget, gosh.
🤷♂️ Perhaps it is. Perhaps Teslas are great cars.
Ah yes, well, if everyone is doing it… 👍👍
Praising a democratically elected moron because he appointed a specific judge? Believe it or not, Nazi.
Guess everything you don’t like is nazi nazi nazi lol.
I didn’t say the CEO of Proton was a Nazi, lol.
I think you misunderstood how they were similar to each other. Not the Nazi part, but how people don’t easily forget things that break their trust.
Source: David Peterson, Proton VPN General Manager.
Its unfortunate they really only name and shame random shovelware vpns it looks like. So it feels difficult to tell whether their points apply to any other real options people have heard of before…
Surely it’s too hard to upload a spreadsheet on the internet.
Some people just have to complain about everything. Maybe a specific excel format?
ProtonVPN
Mulvad VPN
CalyxVPN
RiseUpVPN
PIA VPN
Proton has 1 tracker, while the others have 0.
PIA has GPS location permissions, though.
Edit. All links go to the Exodus Project page for those products. The same site that the David P post uses
Edit 2. Some (including Proton) have camera permission, and I don’t understand why a VPN app would need access to my camera.
Yeah, it would be nice to have an actual list so we’re not reliant on their numbers alone. But unfortunately telling only half the story is something Proton seems to do quite a lot.
On the bright side, the actual privacy data for this was by Proton’s own admission from Exodus, so while its probably not feasible for you to skim 65K apps on your own, you can at least see the data for specific VPN apps you might be worried about.
They would probably get sued if they dropped names of direct competitors.
Yeah true enough. Even if the data they’ve got was 100% accurate and easy to prove in court, they’d still be stuck having to pay out the arse for lawyers just to appear in court.