Around the fourth hour of my detention at the airport, I decided to ask for a lawyer. The Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agent at the front desk refused. I told him that he can’t indefinitely hold an American citizen. “It’s not indefinite,” he replied. “We’ll let you know.”

That little exchange captures the absolute power that CBP claims over travelers, including Americans, going far beyond any domestic law enforcement interrogation. You don’t have a right to contact a lawyer. Neither do you have a right to know why you’re being detained or what will happen next. It’s not “indefinite” detention; they just won’t tell you what the “definite” part is. Crossing the U.S. border is the closest most Americans will come to experiencing life under the foreign dictatorships I report on.

They are absolutely violating the 4th and 5th Amendments here in multiple respects. Not only does the 4th Amendment require officers to have a reasonable and articulable suspicion of wrong doing to have probable cause for there to be a custodial detention, but the 5th Amendment’s Due Process clause requires police forces to provide an attorney when someone in police custody asks for one. If they weren’t under arrest, then they must have been free to leave. Admittedly, there is a reduction in Constitutional provisions while at the boarder (specifically related to searches & seizures), but they still need to have such suspicions to initiate a detention, and any reduction to the 4th Amendment flatly doesn’t apply to someone’s 5th Amendment’s right to counsel in custodial situations. This is a 1983 claim if I ever saw one.

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          The airport isn’t the border. You may have crossed the border while in the air. Everything else is trying to work around the fact that you can’t have a border check in the air, but the airport isn’t really a border. They made that up (borders are made up, I know, I know)

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            Also hot air balloons exist so I guess all landing spots good and poor should be the border.

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      CBP also has jurisdiction “within 100 miles of the border”,

      which is where 90% of Canadians live. And they have arrested a Canadian for something that Canadian did in Canada where it was not a crime, to take him back to America to be tried for it there.

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        Do you have a link or source for that? I don’t doubt it, I’m just interested to read it.