“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”
DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.
A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.
The murders will continue until compliance improves.
You want to hold us accountable? We’re going to murder even harder.
Now that’s what I call a bold strategy.
I know you were calling on the meme and this isn’t against you, but I have to say it’s anything BUT bold. It’s a coward’s strategy.
“More wrong and harder” is the weak way out of having a critical light shone on one’s choices. To most of us it’s no big deal, but to these guys – who know far better than we do the truth of what they are doing – it’s ego death and frightening as hell.
Is it easier to stand up and take responsibility for all the evil you have done, or to pull a bit of metal on the gun you’re holding a fraction of an inch, in order to kill an unarmed person trying desperately to go on living when you confront them with your own will and means to murder them, knowing that afterward your fellow ICE sociopaths will high-five you like it’s something to be proud of?
For those of us with working consciences, that question only gets answered one way.
For the rest, that’s a personal profile of every single serving member of ICE. They already know they’re not “defending” jack shit and that immigrants are no danger at all. If they were, ICE would not be shooting at them, because ICE goons regularly run from conflict, as Tom Homan is demonstrating right now, and as they all prove when people whip out cameras and start shouting loud enough.
These sociopaths RUN from accountability. They signed up for the opportunity to get paid to play The Most Dangerous Game all day every day, they’re glad to do it, and the ones who have any shred of conscience/humanity left in themselves are being eaten alive by it, as they should be.
And Tom Homan is upset that people who do have working consciences are calling bullshit on the whole thing. He’s so scared of real accountability that he has equated words with physical danger, lol.
That’s not bold. That’s weakness. A fucking snowflake in a skin suit who could never personally bear even a fraction of the suffering he readily metes out to others.
Now that’s what I call a bold strategy.
“Let’s see how that plays out for 'em, Cotton!”
Probably pretty well, lol. Americans have demonstrated that they are willing to put up with this shit
I keep seeing this take, but it’s hardly uniquely american though. Human societies will put up with a lot as long it means they don’t have to leave their comfort zone.
It’s why the chinese put up with their party dictatorship, they live in relative comfort. We might see more resistance coming from russian society now because they are starting to feel the consequences of the dictatorships actions.
Most Chinese people have seen their standards of living improve over their lifetimes. I doubt we can say the same for Americans.
Also after, eat your cake
Turns out the bloodshed also continues if we say/do nothing about it too, so we may as well say/do something about it anyway.
“let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted”
I don’t recall anyone enacting a law that said “round up brown people in concentration camps and kill protesters”
Also pretty sure it’s not ICE’s job to enact laws.
I’m pretty sure by “they” he meant Democrats.
Probably, but these are not Democrat laws.
Might want to check the voting record on ICE establishment, support and funding there sport.
Right up until well into the 2020s they were a bipartisan effort.
This reminds me of the “you know, the southern states who supported slavery were all democrats” rhetoric.
ICE before 2024 was a completely different agency. Trying to argue that the democratic party is somehow to blame for Trump’s executive orders, the construction/creation of concentration camps over the last year, and mass hiring of a bunch of untrained white nationalists is an absolutely insane take.
Obama gave the current head of ICE a medal! After appointing him to the job!
And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and Strom Thurmond was a Democrat, and Stalin was a seminary student! Before becoming an exiled Social Democrat! Oooooh!
bOtH sIdEs ThE sAmE Lol
Joe Biden spent a record amount on ICE camps while the threat of fascism was obviously clear.
Obama not only discovered Homan, but awarded him with a medal when Homan devised a plan to separate migrant children from their parents at detention centers.
Every single dem senator voted to confirm Marco Rubio, who has obviously been one of the biggest champions of "immigration enforcement.
They’re not entirely wrong when they say the Democrats gave them a mandate.
I mean we have to acknolwedge that Rubio and Homan did not act back then the way they do now. A Christian Nationalist (Nat-C) movement electing a fascist president has a way of bringing the latent bigot out of people that may have been decent at suppressing it in the past.
People across this nation have been experiencing that on a personal level with their family/friends for the last decade.
So is it just required to blame democrats for everything republicans do on your instance? You all never seem to miss an opportunity to criticize and blame Dems. Never mention republicans though. Fishy, that.
Why do y’all get so bruised when extremely valid critiques are leveled against the democrats?
blame democrats for everything republicans do
Uh, Joe Biden was not a republican. Neither was Obama. And it should be clear the Democrat senators are also not Republicans…
Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed in to bullshit that it’s all the Dems faults. Now this is where you call me blue maga or a zionist or some other dumb fucking out of pocket nonsense and call in the ml brigade and sockpuppets too boost your comment and downvote disagreement. Looks like you already got started on part of that.
you chimed in to bullshit that it’s all the Dems faults
Do show me where this happened.
Nobody mentioned either party till you chimed
You did read the headline, right?
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Honestly? We don’t think Republicans can do any better, so we don’t try to change them. They chose their side a long time ago. They are the enemy.
Democrats, we know you, we know that you can do better because sometimes you do. You share our values. Even if your political leaders are captured by capitalist interests, you cheer when they do the right thing. So it is very frustrating to us to see you choose wrong.
It’s like being an Australian in the time of Trump. We are seriously worried and horrified about what’s going on in the USA, because you are literally our ally.
Here’s the neat part, the murders will continue either way.
Why should anybody shut up?
Openly admitting to being killers, not allowing free speech, telling to “shut their mouth”, down hard in the polls, and doubling down with threats of rigging the elections.
Openly admitting to being SERIAL killers
Fuck Tom Homan. War on US citizens.
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Man I hope that monster winds up in Leavenworth, or stood up in front of a firing squad, once adults take charge of things.
Holding people ACCOUNTABLE for Murdering Americans would be POLITICAL therefore we must FORGIVE and FORGET and Hope it doesn’t Happen AS BAD next Time!
-LITERALLY The Democrats!
It was so disgusting seeing the “”““left leaning””“” news networks sit there giving softball interviews to trump, because otherwise they’d seem biased! You can’t just sit there talking about the crimes the presidential candidate is committing, that’s too partisan…???
Fuck those complicit ghouls 🤷♂️
They gotta go too
root and branch
Republicans and Democrats, coworkers. I wonder what the watercooler talk is like.
how many children do you bleed out into your bath every night?
Reach across the aisle©
Democrats make Wilhelm II seem like a strong leader. They’d rather us end up in concentration camps than hold republicans accountable
Is this not a crime? Threatening to murder political opposition?
He says it with enough ambiguity to claim later that what he meant was: allow ICE to do our job or the nasty immigrants and anti-fascists will cause bloodshed. But of course it’s his people causing the bloodshed, not the people they’re attacking.
No, it’s just a crime by the letter of the law. The problem is that nobody will enforce it.
It doesn’t really matter if its a crime or not. No one is enforcing it.
This stubbed toe in a suit is threatening to kill people.
“Shut up about the Nazi executions and let them execute your neighbors or we’ll shoot you sooner rather than later”
Trump’s pardons are not global. They can still be extradited for murdering one of their citizens.
Is that a threat?
Hey Americans, your precious second amendment? It’s for shit like this.
Turns out all the loud card carrying 2A enthusiasts are coward bitches who were just waiting for some fascist dick to suck.
If we’re honest, that was always painfully obvious.
Yep. Sure would be nice if the non-fascist party hadn’t didn’t decades convincing their supporters that guns are evil and disarming themselves.
Sure would be nice if all the “we need guns to protect our freedoms from tyranny” people hadn’t joined ICE to enforce tyranny at the first opportunity.
All of this can be true. I’m exceedingly pissed at how the vocal anti-fed 2A crowd was talking all tough, and now they’re licking the heels of the feds as those agencies literally carry out all the conspiracies we were supposed to need that 2A for.
If Tyranny == Law: Rebellion = Duty???
Something like that?
Ugh. What a bunch of cowards.
Edit: I’m not even advocating violence. Where’s all the peaceful open-carrying protests? That’d at least be a start towards a polite society.
Thugs in unmarked vans with masks would be a lot more hesitant to beat on civilians with 50 legally carried rifles in the vicinity. Jussayin.
I keep floating the idea that everyone should show up to vote while open carrying.
100%
The only way I logically see this going wrong is if some militant MAGAs show up and start trying to stoke a fight.
It’d be pretty funny though, watching FOX hosts cover such a thing. They’d start screeching, hopping, and shit-flinging while looping the same 5-second footage for a week straight if the “wrong people” were exercising those rights.
[Shaky iPhone footage of people with shouldered rifles peacefully casting ballots]
“Oh noh aw deez anteefah pwotestas wif gunz a domethik teewowisth! Pedo wapisth leedah pwz kill, dey vote rawng ;_;.”
Although, forcing the NRA to get somewhere between “Mighty uncomfortable” and “Brain bleed” having to choose between licking fascist boots vs. protecting the second amendment, would be freaking hilarious. 😂
“Shall not be infringed, dickheads.”
So long as the internal mental struggle holds them off until I can vote and leave.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
You can get one now and you should, everyone should, that much is clear now to everyone.
I have over 50 guns. Collecting firearms was a hobby for a while.
I haven’t bought one in years, but I used to get like 1 a month.
Some of us are quite well armed. There’s a saying: if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. There’s lots of gun clubs, all across the country, that are left wing. See Pink Pistols and the John Brown Gun Club.
I am definitely in that far left group. I have dozens of firearms of all sizes and types.
Nah. That never happened.
They simply advocated for stricter background checks and a ban on the type of firearms expressly designed to kill as many people (children) as quickly as possible.
They pushed for banning cosmetic features like carry handles and vertical grips.
They’ve spent decades preventing supressors from being removed from the NFA, causing hundreds of thousands to suffer hearing damage because they think a silencer makes a gun quiet when it really brings the volume down to jackhammer-level that won’t instantly damage a hunter’s hearing from a single shot.
They effectively stopped the progress on gun safety by creating laws in several states that mandate that once a single smart safety pistol become commercially available that all other guns be outlawed. That lead to the manufacturers refusing to develop the tech for 25 years until the laws were repealed.
California passed a law prohibiting the sale of any new model of handguns that didn’t have a microstamping technology thay doesn’t exist, resulting in companies like Taurus continuing to manufacture older guns with known safety issues because the newer, safer models were illegal for sale in California.
Cool, come watch my special needs son while I go guillotining? I’ll bring my rifle.
This is a threat directed at the American people. Allow ICE to torture their non white neighbors or there will be more Alex Pretti murders.
Here in Chile, when one President declared war on their people, we trashed the country until his governance was all but surrendered, and we even got the chance of making a new Constitution out of it (the idiots blew it, but that’s for Season 2 of the series). He got lucky to make it out of the Presidential building in one piece (we historically don’t like it when armed conflict touches the place).
What are the so-called American citizens doing?
America definitely needs to get a sense of urgency in change, but USA is a much larger, and spread out country than Chile; and it also has the largest & most well funded intelligence agencies helping the oligarchs maintain power.
More spread out than Chile
Is the US even that long?
Yes actually. Chile is 2,653 miles long. The longest longitudinal distance in the continental US is 2,802 miles.
You have cars, yes?
I used longitudinal distance because I wasn’t 100% certain if the measurement for Chile is measuring a line between its two furthest points or just the distance between it’s northernmost and southernmost latitudes. If it’s the latter then it’s a fair comparison, and if it’s the former then Chile gets an unfair advantage but it doesn’t change the result.
Yes, places have geography. Let me know when you’re gonna riot against you government, because if you just want to talk about latitudes and other spherical circumferences all night, I’m afraid I’m already late for a towel folding urgency.
You sound like you need a geography lesson before you try to school anyone on civics.
We have many vastly different regions, so yes. The commonwealth, the South, the Midwest , the West, the Pacific Northwest, all very far apart and with different immediate concerns.
Yes. Chile is 2653 miles long/tall. The distance from San Diego to Portland (Maine) is 3100 miles. Just Alaska is 2145 miles wide when counting all the Aleutian Islands.
They do say spread out: the USA actually has a better population distribution than Chile and it’s big in two dimensions, whereas Chile is incredibly tall but also incredibly narrow (think: that goth guy).
That said, Chile is
longtall: we get from above our hemisphere’s tropic line to the friggin’ South pole.
The difference is, our police are armed more heavily than some nations military. And our military is more heavily armed than nearly every other nation combined… And that’s forgetting that we’ve allowed technocrats to install nationwide government surveillance, tracking and recording. Both online and in public places.
It’s not so easy as just “revolt”.
What they have is organization. What we have is numbers.
Kind of like Russia has a numbers advantage in Ukraine.
Alright bro. You first.
Everyone wants a John Brown.
No one wants to be John Brown.
B-but … when MAGAts occasionally threaten ‘Antifa Communist Marxist Fascists’ on Twitter that they ‘won’t take their bullshit’ much longer, they inevitably pull ‘we have 220 milllion guns’ out of their arse.
That’s because they own like 40 guns themselves. At a certain point they stop being useful when you still only have two hands.
Well, with that amount of guns no one can really say you can’t share or teach (ie.: start an anti-fascism shooting school). I mean, th’all invented that Second Amendment for something, right?
Um… Our people are also heavily armed and have built personas around fighting for our freedom. The real truth is people don’t want to give up their comforts.
It is absolutely easy to revolt.
yea? it’s easy? So, you’ve done it, right? You personally? Care to describe your personal experience, what you faced and how easy it was?
Lol you think I’m presenting myself as above the rest of you? Your emotionally driven, predictable response is, well, predictable.
you irl:
Lol hardly. I know who I am and what I’m about. Some butthurt people on a niche social media platform downvoting and insulting me is as meaningful as holding up a sign at a scheduled protest.
Our people are heavily armed… compared to people in other countries. They are not heavily armed compared to even the police, let alone the military. Any violent revolt would be put down in days.
Guess we’ll just do nothing!
Seems like you have a head start there.
Oh? You know me, eh? Snark only works when it’s clever by the way.
Sure, but not in any organized way.
Ever been to Mexico?
The place that gets guns almost exclusively from the US?
Honestly? The average and median American still has I think the highest disposable income in the world even after accounting for cost of living short of places like Luxembourg. While they’re complaining, rightly, about their lot being worse compared to years past, most of them aren’t feeling a sort of financial squeeze that’s usually needed for that kind of revolutionary action yet.
The US has made a sort of deal with devil that’s still mostly paying off for the average citizen. Until the middle class specifically really feel the squeeze, and not just compared to themselves historically, I don’t see any revolutionary action happening.
Basically people have to start starving first.
And by then it’ll be too late because they are starving.
Armies, established or figurative, march on full stomachs. Even the BTS army.
Apart from those without healthcare eh?
Yeah, but crucially, the ones who are in a position to feel that need keenly enough are sick.
They often have more immediate concerns.
But that number is “only” ~25 million out of over 340 million, or about 7% give or take (double checked my numbers; slightly off, but still under 10%). And they’re likely in the worst position to do anything politically because they’re too busy surviving. There is a crisis of under insured, but most people don’t feel that pressure until it becomes a real problem, then they’re in the group that is too busy surviving to enact change. For most Americans, that disposable income number includes healthcare. There’s just a stupid amount of money in that country. And while there’s a huge gap and most goes to the top, enough goes to the middle class to keep them pacified.
I’m definitely not endorsing the US system; it’s a system of haves and have nots and embraces a wealth divide and can be pretty bleak. But most Americans just aren’t feeling as much of a financial punch as the complaints might let on.
(This isn’t to invalidate Americans who are struggling… been there, been homeless, it’s awful. But middle class America, even by European standards, is pretty ridiculously wealthy.)
The whole idea that you have no job you have no healthcare. Dreadful.
Ghettos everywhere. USA could be africa
Eh, that’s overstating it. It still is a stupidly rich country and professional working Americans tend to make more money than their European counterparts, even considering healthcare.
But yes, tying healthcare to employment comes with all sorts of problems and lets too many people not “poor enough” for Medicare to slip through the cracks. In my experience with a state Medicare system that gets good funding, the public system actually holds up quite well when looking at many of the European systems, at least here in central Europe where I live now… simply extending that to everyone would basically fix the problem. I’ve had good dental work, a fantastic pre natal and birth experience along with mending broken bones and such under a public system with no cost to me and honestly my experience was great.
Difference is in Europe we beleive society needs the lower earners and they deserve respect.
Lower earners do get pretty good care in states like California with MediCal. The problem is a) it isn’t federal, so some states they don’t invest get worse care and b) you can fall onto a band of making too much for public health care and too little for real insurance.
Nothing I’ve written should be taken as an endorsement. Medicare should be extended to all. With no means testing.
This is what fascism is though. What you’re describing is being complicit in fascism.
Well, sort of. Fascism is more precisely a marriage of nationalism and a police state with a corporatocracy where one aids the other in their goals. Which you could definitely argue is what’s happening in the US, but isn’t really what my point was (and certainly shouldn’t be read as an endorsement!).
But yeah, that deal with devil is definitely a complicity. They’ve been willing to hand vast amounts of money, and rights, to the ruling class because they’re been being paid very well to do so. And I don’t see revolution happening until there’s either a critical mass of people reaching starvation levels of poverty, or the middle class sees all that wealth they traded their rights for evaporate.
You know what’s funny? The USA installed Pinochet !
Yeah, as well as some other guys.
From here, that doesn’t look anywhere as funny I assure you :p
For a much more people oriented answer: I’m trying to survive. I’m trying to make sure my dad takes his medication right so he doesn’t die. I’m trying to figure out how to pay bills when the local government I work for gave everyone a 2% cost of living raise, then raised taxes 3% and gave the city manager a $26,000 raise even though he was already being paid close to $200k. The only other person I know that doesn’t think trump and all his cronies are the bees knees is elderly, has no retirement and is desperately trying to keep working despite health issues because her husband has cancer and she needs to keep working to pay his bills. Even if I made a ton of money and had help with my dad, I still wouldn’t be able to do anything because of my health, either (I am 100% that friend who would get eaten by the zombies first) I’m not young anymore, either.
I think the internet makes it seem like a lot more people hate what’s going on than there actually is. In my experience, i see a small number of crazy Trump fanatics, a small number of concerned and scared people, and then the vast majority just don’t care. At least for now. That’ll change when they started being affected. By then it’ll be too late.
To sum up: more people don’t give a shit than do. We haven’t reached the part of the poem where "Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
Nothing. And I get poo-pooed when I suggest this sort of thing. Fucking tired of this place, so much so that I’ve been looking to leave. It’s difficult. I just don’t think it’s worth fighting for anymore.
The fun (“fun”) thing is evaluating where to leave to. Other places that used to be cool, aren’t anymore.
My biggest concern is getting close to my aging parents without actually living in my home state of Florida. Fuck. I hate the idea of moving back.
Well that does sound like an issue. Then again it wouldn’t make much more difference where to move to within the US since my understanding is states like Florida and Texas can extradite people from other States (eg.: doctors), right?
Yes, but the state they are trying to extradite from has to cooperate for it to happen.
Do they have to? The extraditing state can just send ICE (aka: Pedophile’s Personal Pawns)
Part of it is scale. The usa has several individual states that are a larger population than Chile.
Which means more of an amount of people who should be able to do something.
salió de la moneda, pero igual no salió del helicóptero… que en pez descanse…
"que en pez descanse " qué lata que nunca se me ocurrió en su momento. ¡Felicidades! :p
Qué raro ver a un chileno acá… ándate pa la casa, wn! 😁. Saludos!
A’er tú y quién más mira que te traigo a las maigo la mojojojo la calila aí vamo a ver 😁 ¡Saludos igualmente y gracias!
“Estaba ese al que le dicen el car’e puta” 🤣
What are the so-called American citizens doing?
The braves from the land of the free are either:
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cowering in fear
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playing victim
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pretending ThInGs ArE nOt tHaT bAd
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all of the above
And you get downvoted for being right and calling it out. This is how it is.
They get downvoted because they attempt to mock instead of acknowledging reality of having the obstacles of the most powerful, and well funded 3 letter agencies subverting any attempt to enact real change in favor of the working class.
It’s just going to be harder than a smaller country that doesn’t have so many radically different regions.
I’ll take the unpopular point that I think is more relevant: it really isn’t that bad for me and likely a lot of other people
My costs are up but I can absorb it, and materially my life isn’t that different. America should 100% buck these fascists, and I think we’re fucked as a country given the bald faced corruption + bigotry, but if my experience holds true for most of the others then it’s still not bad enough to risk what we have.
People have to lose a lot more for things to change.
Yeah, things are degrading in the U.S. for everyone, but some faster than others. It’s easy to see the headlines that amplify the worst parts of America and think that’s life for everyone right now.
It probably will be soon enough, but not enough people are experiencing that quite yet, so that’s why there’s no urgency / mass outrage at the moment.
“Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters.”
Naomi Shulman
And that’s why it took so long for WWII to happen. We haven’t even had a Reichstag fire yet.
We kind of did on Jan 6. It’s just that Trump suspended all of the consequences until his next term after Biden left office.
So because I don’t go around murdering people who vote Republican, I’m a Nazi?
That’s a viewpoint that will really win a debate. Also, I’m guessing that makes you a Nazi, seeing as you live in the US and don’t seem to be in prison right now.
In the US, we can vote for politicians and we can go to protests and speak out against things we don’t like. We can boycott companies and events. Anything more than that risks more than just “making waves.” People are being killed for protesting ICE.
The point the person you are calling a Nazi is trying to make is that things aren’t bad enough yet that normal people who are just trying to keep their families safe would be willing to commit violent acts. Are you out there doing more than just typing on a keyboard or holding up signs at a protest?
I didn’t call you a Nazi, but if you’re feeling attacked, maybe take some time to reflect. That said, you seem to be willing to do the short term protections for your family. What about the long term? A decade from now? Two decades?
Myopia is best friends with timidity.
Voting is broken here. With entities like AIPAC and the Epstein class manipulating our system, with politicians too scared to do the right thing, with our antiquated system of representation that has had every loophole exploited, to rely on voting to save us is about as short-sighted as one can get.
I am not in prison. I am, however, doing things and I’m unwilling to write any of it down, even if it’s on Lemmy.
No “blue wave” will save us in November if the newly elected officials do nothing to limit their own power, or set term limits, or impeach Trump and find him accountable.
Anything short of an uprising will fall short, and even that is not a guarantee. Meanwhile, people are asking ChatGPT what its favorite color is or for dating advice.
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