I’m disgusted with the willingness to allow murder just because you disagree with the systems and products a side is producing. Stark reminder why and how lemmy is still niche with this unconstructive murderous extremism. Violence and murder is almost never the answer, especially in a democracy. People will not agree with your sentiment because you make threats, attack or kill people you dislike. My opinion might be the minority on lemmy or in this thread but its very much the social majority in general. Its good people aren’t driven insane by ideology
Cope and seethe. Come and kill my like your much hated tech CEO. The situation in the US isn’t pleasant for sure and I’m happy not to be US-citizen. But if you tolerate lawlessness in this area it might erode in others. I don’t like the way many big corporations operate. People that are politically active and support your cause with non-violent means are critical to achieve anything in democracy. Otherwise you might just repulse the ones who would otherwise agree on sane policies.
I would argue people like me is why stuff still functions. I don’t just go up to my political opponent and kill them. We are one society and we can’t let the polarization come too far
Lawlessness? My squirrel in Ratatoskr the CEOs do not and have not ever given a single fuck about the law outside of how they can break it and shape it to exactly what they want. Why is THEIR lawlessness the kind we should tolerate?
I don’t know what kind of world you live in the believe that. Have you ever have to fight a entity at the scale these big tech companies can afford?
You’re going to go broke and they will stall you harass you and send you endless frivolous claims to the point you cannot do anything. Even worse is they have enough money where the courts and cops are on their side.
Your president is corrupt thats for sure. Any government cleaning up after Trump has the work cut out for them. Trump himself will probably never face proper justice as he is too old and won’t live forever. Its very obvious how problematic the things are in the US. So rights need to be defended and political grassroots movements formed. Currently there is a lot of corruption but I hope this will not go all unpunished.
It’s called a Class War for a reason. If the USA is any indication everyone else should be spurning the rich and right quick. Add in can’t argue with Nazis, they only know and respond to violence.
If you had the masses behind you they would vote in their best interest but you don’t. If you try to accomplish this stuff without the support of the masses you lack legitimacy and it becomes tyranny. The masses have the power to change things and it doesn’t need war for it. If you claim to speak or act in the interest of the masses without actually gaining their vote then you are actually putting your opinion of whats good for them above them.
You really need to read up on the history of American politics. You are a product of propaganda. Everything you are saying is entirely detached from reality.
Never have we as average people gotten rights, benefits, and good will from the wealthy. History is full of taking out owners of their houses and killing them or breaking their legs. Of burning down factories, of have a literal military engagement with protesting coal miners.
If you say so it must be true. The guy basically comparing every rich person with a nazi and calling for violence against them. But no, I’m the brainwashed one. Man what am I doing on this platform. The election system in the US is fucked up tho, I’ll give you that. Your country voted Trump twice. How dumb can an electorate be? I’m european but have been a year in the US. The raw form of capitalism america employs is very problematic and not in the interest of the general population. Killing people until the system changes is not a societal movement. Thats still called terrorism. You guys have a constitution and a democracy that protects you. Your crooked government abuses the system but it can still be fixed. Killing CEOs won’t fix the root cause. I understand the term Class War in the US context a bit more, but it doesn’t need violence. You know who used violence? The Jan. 6th protestors. I bet the people on the side use similar arguments for their crooked ideology. From the outside I see this polarization and unwillingness to work with one another as the very breaking point of a country. The once oh so exceptional United States of America. If the violence leads to a civil war chances are the outcome won’t be better than what was. People need to reach across the aisle. MLK is the one who lead the mass movement for rights of black people not Malcom X. Its always very easy to tell the other side they are uninformed or uneducated when you run out of arguments. I hope and believe you guys can still salvage your democracy. If you take up arms and violence, the other side will always reciprocate, remember.
MLK was also an avowed socialist and spoke poorly of capitalism but they gloss over that in history. You sound like someone with enough privilege in their life that they haven’t had to learn the hard truths of what exactly it’s like to live in the USA. Especially if you’re a minority or other out groups. This country has always been hostile and killing people in those groups. Stonewall was a riot and damned if we don’t need another!
They’re not even from the USA. People hate it when most people in the USA try to lecture them on how to run their country, but the opposite doesn’t meet the same hostility it rightfully should.
" Killing people until the system changes is not a societal movement."
What the fuck do you think every one of America’s wars has been about? What were they doing in Vietnam, what did they do to every Arabic country they went into /have been going into?
Militaries are used as a matter of last resort normally. And its only a cause of bad diplomacy, if all else fails. Thats also why wars of aggression are frowned upon. Maybe not true for the US and their insane President but for every other place usually its only to defend. Murder isn’t defending. If not under very specific circumstances its right to be frowned upon
Oh! My mistake! You’re new to this planet and its indigenous species. They REALLY like war! As a matter of fact it drives most of its math and science.
Here, stick this in your ship’s AI and ask it to make a ratio between war and peace:
None of this invalidates my last statement. Europe hasn’t had a war between EU members since it was founded. But it also has nothing to with my argument against using violent means in a half-working democracy when it comes to CEOs and individuals alike. And even in situation where wars are used I would say in most cases its not really a good answer since it comes at great costs
You say its not the answer then what is the answer? The people making the laws have failed us. Any form of peaceful protests dont work. People are suffering and being killed.
Violence is a last resort yes and brother we are out of all the other resorts unfortunately. Its not the people’s fault to resort to violence but rather the oppressors that give no other option so if you want to be mad at someone be mad at them.
I mean i wish everyone well. I fear that violence will not lead to the desired outcome. Once violence is normalized and things run their way the cat is out the box. And its possible you can’t contain things. People online like here are pretty radicalized. Many speak out but most don’t act for the fear of repercussions. I think change takes time and effort. I believe at least some Jan 6th protestors believed what they were doing was right and justified. The way people are reacting with my calls for levelheadedness makes me think they are another side of the same radical coin.
Europe hasn’t had a war between EU members since it was founded.
That’s an odd choice. WWI and WWII started in Europe. What does the EU have to do with anything? Because you picked some arbitrary cutoff point that’s supposed to mean anything?
Internally the EU has been a strong diplomatic success. I’m showing that violence shouldn’t be the only option for change because its not. Comparing civil infighting with state wars was very arbitrary to begin with
A lot of people will agree with the base sentiment “Violence is only justified when your life is threatened”.
Well, a huge number of people don’t really threaten in an obvious way by putting a gun in someone’s face. They will cut off people’s water, food, or air, or make such things prohibitively expensive to maintain. They will run legitimized “law enforcement strike operations”, but in effect, what they’re doing is from a state of peace, electing to murder people that have done them no harm.
Thankfully, or not, in 2025/2026, this stuff is a LOT more obvious than it was before. Politicians pointed out how recent initiatives would, provably, lead to thousands of deaths, and all of it was ignored with no counter-argument.
I agree with you about military being a matter of last resort. That’s the way it is for anyone sane, and doesn’t turn away the base point.
But regardless, I’m not sure what alternative you’re left with when the people committing heinous acts take in profits instead of prison sentences. Especially for someone like Trump, who is actively making the world worse and more unsafe in a myriad of ways, it’s clear he will never receive justice, nor will he ever willingly leave office. How else do you see people no longer suffering his “leadership”? I mean, I’m still hoping he keels over from natural causes, but it’s still a wish for him to keel over.
UHC CEO is a different position than OpenAI CEO. I dont defend Luigi Magione personally, but Sam Altman isn’t a Healthcare CEO using shady business tricks and denying people healthcare which (which can end up killing them). Also in your poll, 45% isn’t the majority.
And Gen Z also isn’t representative for society in general. Young people often tend to have more extreme takes
As if mainstream platforms are bastions of constructive moderate takes? And yeah that’s one of the reasons democracy is important it’s much better than solving things through violence, but if you haven’t noticed democracy is getting gleefully eroded and some of these corporate types want it gone. I don’t believe in violence either but I’m not surprised by anyone’s comments here or anywhere else. And I’d still rather be on lemmy than a corporate platform because I think no corporation should be the invisible hand middleman for ‘the public sphere’
I’m on Lemmy since I love the idea of federated platforms and open source software. I have a strong distaste for big platforms and addictive algorithms and big tech ad stalking. Just sometimes this political one-sidedness makes it hard to tolerate. I block communities and instances that I personally find distasteful. I block ML for example. I am interested in tech tho which is why I’m here.
My take on AI is different than many on here too tho. I believe under right usage and circumstances AI can be useful. I especially like Open weight and self-hosted models. As long as you’re not trafficking or raping children or doing other disgusting acts I can just refuse to use their AI platform. Doesn’t mean they deserve death, threats or attacks.
I think AI can have its benefits for science, technology and mathematics but its output should be thoroughly scrutinized. That said the legislatures i’ve personally spoken with show 0 interest in establishing any regulation.
The concerns I have aside from an even greater loss in everyone’s critical thinking and attention span stem from mass surveillance which the big CEOs are actively promoting.
I believe these people aim to cause at minimum the destruction of the middle class and seek to enshrine permanent control over human society as a hole.
They built bunkers for a reason, these are crimes against humanity and they should fear backlash because of the harm they are actively causing.
That said, i’m fine to round em up and send them to jail, or heck we can put em on one of Musks rocket and they can fuck off to Mars.
Yeah these people don’t care about the harm they’re causing or just ignore it. I feel the same way I’m down for just throwing them in jail or something I don’t need physical violence enacted on them. They’re completely careless and promote the erosion of freedom and personal liberty while hiding behind culture war nonsense and (at least in US) say they are the ones preserving it. It’s the hypocrisy that infuriates me mostly.
The reason why these techbros are getting worried enough to hire meatshields is because they know the material conditions of the people they are fucking over WILL GET WORSE.
Our air is being poisoned.
The warehouses of electrical equipment that need an entire state’s worth of power shake the homes with sub bass that works like an indirect LRAD
They either dump industrial waste into the water or just straight up piss warm bacteria loaded water right back into the water table after using it for cooling.
What happens when you take away everything that the most disenfranchised people have and then actively posion their entire neighbourhood?
You get people with nothing to lose, in a system that refuses to protect them when they do nothing but try to live their lives.
Haha lmao I know right. I knew I would be comment-bombed and downvoted for this. Its just annoying since I want lemmy and the fediverse to go to a more general in public. I mostly avoid politics on lemmy but this is a tech community. I quit most traditional social media and reddit since I like the idea of the fediverse a lot and open-source software in general as well as self-hosting. I think the algorithms and ad targetting is a big issue for me on there. Its just when I see threads like these I try to apply at least one voice of reason. So others know this is not the supposed normal (unless on lemmy of course). Just like this platform has a tankie problem.
I’m disgusted with the willingness to allow murder just because you disagree with the systems and products a side is producing. Stark reminder why and how lemmy is still niche with this unconstructive murderous extremism. Violence and murder is almost never the answer, especially in a democracy. People will not agree with your sentiment because you make threats, attack or kill people you dislike. My opinion might be the minority on lemmy or in this thread but its very much the social majority in general. Its good people aren’t driven insane by ideology
Murder is the illegal killing of humans. We are talking about legal defense.
I doubt any judge or lawyer would seriously argue that is legal
vIoLeNcE iS nEvEr ThE aNsWer!
People like you are why we’re here.
Cope and seethe. Come and kill my like your much hated tech CEO. The situation in the US isn’t pleasant for sure and I’m happy not to be US-citizen. But if you tolerate lawlessness in this area it might erode in others. I don’t like the way many big corporations operate. People that are politically active and support your cause with non-violent means are critical to achieve anything in democracy. Otherwise you might just repulse the ones who would otherwise agree on sane policies.
I would argue people like me is why stuff still functions. I don’t just go up to my political opponent and kill them. We are one society and we can’t let the polarization come too far
Oh you dont even live here. Kindly fuck now.
Lawlessness? My squirrel in Ratatoskr the CEOs do not and have not ever given a single fuck about the law outside of how they can break it and shape it to exactly what they want. Why is THEIR lawlessness the kind we should tolerate?
Nobody should have to tolerate lawlessness. CEOs and companies have more resources in court but it doesn’t mean they are above the law or anything
I don’t know what kind of world you live in the believe that. Have you ever have to fight a entity at the scale these big tech companies can afford?
You’re going to go broke and they will stall you harass you and send you endless frivolous claims to the point you cannot do anything. Even worse is they have enough money where the courts and cops are on their side.
Our president, a billionaire CEO, is literally avoiding jail time by trying to stay the president as long as possible. Come on.
Your president is corrupt thats for sure. Any government cleaning up after Trump has the work cut out for them. Trump himself will probably never face proper justice as he is too old and won’t live forever. Its very obvious how problematic the things are in the US. So rights need to be defended and political grassroots movements formed. Currently there is a lot of corruption but I hope this will not go all unpunished.
It’s called a Class War for a reason. If the USA is any indication everyone else should be spurning the rich and right quick. Add in can’t argue with Nazis, they only know and respond to violence.
If you had the masses behind you they would vote in their best interest but you don’t. If you try to accomplish this stuff without the support of the masses you lack legitimacy and it becomes tyranny. The masses have the power to change things and it doesn’t need war for it. If you claim to speak or act in the interest of the masses without actually gaining their vote then you are actually putting your opinion of whats good for them above them.
You really need to read up on the history of American politics. You are a product of propaganda. Everything you are saying is entirely detached from reality.
Never have we as average people gotten rights, benefits, and good will from the wealthy. History is full of taking out owners of their houses and killing them or breaking their legs. Of burning down factories, of have a literal military engagement with protesting coal miners.
We have gotten those things from them, many times, when we used bricks and bullets to rip them from their cold dead hands.
Well was more saying they didn’t give them willingly. We had to take them by force.
If you say so it must be true. The guy basically comparing every rich person with a nazi and calling for violence against them. But no, I’m the brainwashed one. Man what am I doing on this platform. The election system in the US is fucked up tho, I’ll give you that. Your country voted Trump twice. How dumb can an electorate be? I’m european but have been a year in the US. The raw form of capitalism america employs is very problematic and not in the interest of the general population. Killing people until the system changes is not a societal movement. Thats still called terrorism. You guys have a constitution and a democracy that protects you. Your crooked government abuses the system but it can still be fixed. Killing CEOs won’t fix the root cause. I understand the term Class War in the US context a bit more, but it doesn’t need violence. You know who used violence? The Jan. 6th protestors. I bet the people on the side use similar arguments for their crooked ideology. From the outside I see this polarization and unwillingness to work with one another as the very breaking point of a country. The once oh so exceptional United States of America. If the violence leads to a civil war chances are the outcome won’t be better than what was. People need to reach across the aisle. MLK is the one who lead the mass movement for rights of black people not Malcom X. Its always very easy to tell the other side they are uninformed or uneducated when you run out of arguments. I hope and believe you guys can still salvage your democracy. If you take up arms and violence, the other side will always reciprocate, remember.
MLK was also an avowed socialist and spoke poorly of capitalism but they gloss over that in history. You sound like someone with enough privilege in their life that they haven’t had to learn the hard truths of what exactly it’s like to live in the USA. Especially if you’re a minority or other out groups. This country has always been hostile and killing people in those groups. Stonewall was a riot and damned if we don’t need another!
I’m not against integrating socialist policies nor praising capitalism am I? I’m just against violence and murder especially.
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They’re not even from the USA. People hate it when most people in the USA try to lecture them on how to run their country, but the opposite doesn’t meet the same hostility it rightfully should.
Quick question, which agency killed MLK?
And also lol, lmao even
What the fuck do you think every one of America’s wars has been about? What were they doing in Vietnam, what did they do to every Arabic country they went into /have been going into?
Most of these incidents were horribly unsuccessful, I don’t know how this proves your point?
ok russian plant.
AGREED! Murder is NEVER the Answer! UNLESS it’s a Rich person killing ENTIRE Towns of People by Poisoning their Air and Water. THATS ok!
It almost always is. That’s why most countries have a military.
Militaries are used as a matter of last resort normally. And its only a cause of bad diplomacy, if all else fails. Thats also why wars of aggression are frowned upon. Maybe not true for the US and their insane President but for every other place usually its only to defend. Murder isn’t defending. If not under very specific circumstances its right to be frowned upon
Oh! My mistake! You’re new to this planet and its indigenous species. They REALLY like war! As a matter of fact it drives most of its math and science.
Here, stick this in your ship’s AI and ask it to make a ratio between war and peace:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17449365-the-penguin-history-of-the-world
They even make entertainments of it!
https://youtu.be/fbT1fCHOjfI
None of this invalidates my last statement. Europe hasn’t had a war between EU members since it was founded. But it also has nothing to with my argument against using violent means in a half-working democracy when it comes to CEOs and individuals alike. And even in situation where wars are used I would say in most cases its not really a good answer since it comes at great costs
You say its not the answer then what is the answer? The people making the laws have failed us. Any form of peaceful protests dont work. People are suffering and being killed.
Violence is a last resort yes and brother we are out of all the other resorts unfortunately. Its not the people’s fault to resort to violence but rather the oppressors that give no other option so if you want to be mad at someone be mad at them.
I mean i wish everyone well. I fear that violence will not lead to the desired outcome. Once violence is normalized and things run their way the cat is out the box. And its possible you can’t contain things. People online like here are pretty radicalized. Many speak out but most don’t act for the fear of repercussions. I think change takes time and effort. I believe at least some Jan 6th protestors believed what they were doing was right and justified. The way people are reacting with my calls for levelheadedness makes me think they are another side of the same radical coin.
That’s an odd choice. WWI and WWII started in Europe. What does the EU have to do with anything? Because you picked some arbitrary cutoff point that’s supposed to mean anything?
Internally the EU has been a strong diplomatic success. I’m showing that violence shouldn’t be the only option for change because its not. Comparing civil infighting with state wars was very arbitrary to begin with
A lot of people will agree with the base sentiment “Violence is only justified when your life is threatened”.
Well, a huge number of people don’t really threaten in an obvious way by putting a gun in someone’s face. They will cut off people’s water, food, or air, or make such things prohibitively expensive to maintain. They will run legitimized “law enforcement strike operations”, but in effect, what they’re doing is from a state of peace, electing to murder people that have done them no harm.
Thankfully, or not, in 2025/2026, this stuff is a LOT more obvious than it was before. Politicians pointed out how recent initiatives would, provably, lead to thousands of deaths, and all of it was ignored with no counter-argument.
I agree with you about military being a matter of last resort. That’s the way it is for anyone sane, and doesn’t turn away the base point.
I think you’re wrong about being in the social majority… https://www.axios.com/2025/01/09/luigi-mangione-approval-poll-gen-z
But regardless, I’m not sure what alternative you’re left with when the people committing heinous acts take in profits instead of prison sentences. Especially for someone like Trump, who is actively making the world worse and more unsafe in a myriad of ways, it’s clear he will never receive justice, nor will he ever willingly leave office. How else do you see people no longer suffering his “leadership”? I mean, I’m still hoping he keels over from natural causes, but it’s still a wish for him to keel over.
UHC CEO is a different position than OpenAI CEO. I dont defend Luigi Magione personally, but Sam Altman isn’t a Healthcare CEO using shady business tricks and denying people healthcare which (which can end up killing them). Also in your poll, 45% isn’t the majority.
And Gen Z also isn’t representative for society in general. Young people often tend to have more extreme takes
Tell that to the billioneirs who regularly make choices that cost peoples lives lol. These corrupt fucks can’t be voted out.
As if mainstream platforms are bastions of constructive moderate takes? And yeah that’s one of the reasons democracy is important it’s much better than solving things through violence, but if you haven’t noticed democracy is getting gleefully eroded and some of these corporate types want it gone. I don’t believe in violence either but I’m not surprised by anyone’s comments here or anywhere else. And I’d still rather be on lemmy than a corporate platform because I think no corporation should be the invisible hand middleman for ‘the public sphere’
I’m on Lemmy since I love the idea of federated platforms and open source software. I have a strong distaste for big platforms and addictive algorithms and big tech ad stalking. Just sometimes this political one-sidedness makes it hard to tolerate. I block communities and instances that I personally find distasteful. I block ML for example. I am interested in tech tho which is why I’m here.
My take on AI is different than many on here too tho. I believe under right usage and circumstances AI can be useful. I especially like Open weight and self-hosted models. As long as you’re not trafficking or raping children or doing other disgusting acts I can just refuse to use their AI platform. Doesn’t mean they deserve death, threats or attacks.
I think AI can have its benefits for science, technology and mathematics but its output should be thoroughly scrutinized. That said the legislatures i’ve personally spoken with show 0 interest in establishing any regulation.
The concerns I have aside from an even greater loss in everyone’s critical thinking and attention span stem from mass surveillance which the big CEOs are actively promoting.
I believe these people aim to cause at minimum the destruction of the middle class and seek to enshrine permanent control over human society as a hole.
They built bunkers for a reason, these are crimes against humanity and they should fear backlash because of the harm they are actively causing.
That said, i’m fine to round em up and send them to jail, or heck we can put em on one of Musks rocket and they can fuck off to Mars.
Yeah these people don’t care about the harm they’re causing or just ignore it. I feel the same way I’m down for just throwing them in jail or something I don’t need physical violence enacted on them. They’re completely careless and promote the erosion of freedom and personal liberty while hiding behind culture war nonsense and (at least in US) say they are the ones preserving it. It’s the hypocrisy that infuriates me mostly.
“products a side is producing”
This is not partisan, fencesitter.
The reason why these techbros are getting worried enough to hire meatshields is because they know the material conditions of the people they are fucking over WILL GET WORSE.
Our air is being poisoned.
The warehouses of electrical equipment that need an entire state’s worth of power shake the homes with sub bass that works like an indirect LRAD
They either dump industrial waste into the water or just straight up piss warm bacteria loaded water right back into the water table after using it for cooling.
What happens when you take away everything that the most disenfranchised people have and then actively posion their entire neighbourhood?
You get people with nothing to lose, in a system that refuses to protect them when they do nothing but try to live their lives.
Lemmy doesn’t exactly have the most mentally stable of people here. It’s a glorified mental asylum.
Deny people life saving procedures, thousands die a year, no one bats an eye about it.
Someone mercs a healthcare CEO for perpetuating social murder, everyone suddenly gives a shit about the fucking CEO.
Haha lmao I know right. I knew I would be comment-bombed and downvoted for this. Its just annoying since I want lemmy and the fediverse to go to a more general in public. I mostly avoid politics on lemmy but this is a tech community. I quit most traditional social media and reddit since I like the idea of the fediverse a lot and open-source software in general as well as self-hosting. I think the algorithms and ad targetting is a big issue for me on there. Its just when I see threads like these I try to apply at least one voice of reason. So others know this is not the supposed normal (unless on lemmy of course). Just like this platform has a tankie problem.