You seem to have followed that topic far more than me. So I’d like to state what I objectively understood from the mj case and then ask you. Please do not feel offended, I never like people being idolized but also not their image being damaged with accusations.
That being said, from what I understood he had a lot of kids around him which is at least unusual in any case but there was no objective proof for sexual abuse.
So my honest question: had this been proven? This was such a hot topic that it was impossible for me to follow the facts. (of course in a possible connection with Epstein - which I knew nothing about then - it might seem obvious now)
ABC, 2003: “inside MJ’s Odd World.” https://abcnews.com/2020/story?id=123607&page=1
This is the top result if you search about it and probaboy all you need to read. But i’ll return to this comment with more sources, i need to post to make sure i don’t lose what i typed below.
Yes it’s proven that MJ invited kids over for sleepovers.
It was so well known that he did this that the media was reporting on it frequently and he went to court for it -~~ presumably it wasn’t proven that he molested them because AFAIK he never went to jail or anything. ~~
But as you said, the issue is that he shouldn’t have been creating those situations in the first place, because:
1), it’s creepy enough ny default,
kids shouldn’t be taken away from trusted adults fo stay over with celebrities,
MJ is aware thst this is wring and puts him in a highkply precarious legal position.
You’d therefore assume that he was doing this in the hopes thst he might one day get away with mokesting a child, or that he wss doing it as the first part of grooming them to become his close friends and from there who knows.
It’s a dereliction of “responsibility” as a celebrity and as an adult to essentially provide access to yourself as a visitor attraction for kids. Public meetings with fans (conventions, signings, concerts) and answering fan mail is fine.
I’m surprised it didn’t go worse. I do like his music though and i appreciate he had a poor childhood himself which contributes to making these poor judgements.
(I believe MJ comes up in Epsteins Emails, either because epstein celebrates him, or because he’s a visitor to the island. Probably the former, there’s not much outcry about it. I’ll look for a source for that.)
You seem to have followed that topic far more than me. So I’d like to state what I objectively understood from the mj case and then ask you. Please do not feel offended, I never like people being idolized but also not their image being damaged with accusations.
That being said, from what I understood he had a lot of kids around him which is at least unusual in any case but there was no objective proof for sexual abuse.
So my honest question: had this been proven? This was such a hot topic that it was impossible for me to follow the facts. (of course in a possible connection with Epstein - which I knew nothing about then - it might seem obvious now)
Thanks.
It’s fine, i’m not here to start arguments.
Here are some sources
So to answer your questions:
You’d therefore assume that he was doing this in the hopes thst he might one day get away with mokesting a child, or that he wss doing it as the first part of grooming them to become his close friends and from there who knows.
It’s a dereliction of “responsibility” as a celebrity and as an adult to essentially provide access to yourself as a visitor attraction for kids. Public meetings with fans (conventions, signings, concerts) and answering fan mail is fine.
I’m surprised it didn’t go worse. I do like his music though and i appreciate he had a poor childhood himself which contributes to making these poor judgements.
(I believe MJ comes up in Epsteins Emails, either because epstein celebrates him, or because he’s a visitor to the island. Probably the former, there’s not much outcry about it. I’ll look for a source for that.)
But still, thst does not sound as if it’s proven he molested them. And if he did, he should rot in hell of course.
I’m just still not sure that he wasn’t as naive innocent as he seemed. I really hate this.