its okay to defend yourself from religious pedo hypocrisy
The thing is, this problem isn’t going to end until they start prescribing pain medicine to people who need it again.
not like it was during the opiod crisis in the early 2000’s, but I have seen personally with my own two eyes people who are in tremendous amounts of pain have broken necks and other ailments and the doctors basically tell them to get fucked.
I’ve seen veterans who tell me when they asked their doctor for more because what they are prescribed is no longer working they would lower their dose.
Its cruel, to be honest. Thing is I get it “aw man but people could get high off of that stuff!?!!!”
If its the only thing that helps these people live their day to day lives then who gives a damn? If you don’t take away their medication suddenly then its manageable.
I’ve seen people give up and just take one of their like 5 opiates they do get prescribed for a broken bone or whatever and take those and go to the methadone clinic and say they are addicts just so they can FINALLY get some pain relief. Methadone is actually a fantastic pain killer because it controls nerve pain and lasts 12 hours or so.
But good luck getting it prescribed for that! No no. You must be a dirty junky and horrifically addicted before we let you get that
Honestly fuck the DEA. I’m not saying sell heroin at the gas station but Jesus Christ they have forced doctors hands with threats of taking away their licenses and shit if they even think about prescribing opiates to someone who really needs them for pain management.
There was a man in Indiana who helped people navigate through “pain Management” basically its like the meat market, they make you undergo all these experimental injections and shit that don’t actually work and make things worse a lot of the time in order to get a crumb of the actual pain medicine you really need. So he would help people connect with actual doctors who give a damn and would help them.
DEA and friends shut him down. He only helps kids now because of the constant threats to his freedom by the DEA.
Fuck the DEA. THEY have been the ones who let shit get out of control and then want to play damage control so they can fill the prisons when it became a nuisance for them.
Robert Evans must be in crisis rn
I’m pretty sure that inbred hick from Oklahoma is tied in with all of this. Markwayne Mullin directly invested into a “leaf kratom” company called Botanic Tonics. They want to blame all the negative effects of kratom on the synthetic 7-OH variety and take out the competition.
Isn’t it great seeing all these Republicans slinging addictive drugs around when they still have a hard-on for the War on Drugs?
Well of course, they want a new revenue stream and more heads for the jails for funding etc.
Normally I’d agree, but I actually think banning 7OH is one of the only decent things they’ve done in this administration. It is a smokeable opiate that is on par with the strength of morphine and it is incredibly addictive. It is currently able to be sold to 18 year olds, and there is not good information being provided about its addictive potential.
I watch a podcast with a man named Goblin who does drug reviews and he talked to the CEO of the largest 7OH manufacturer. The CEO straight up admitted to being addicted to his own product, being aware that a large portion of consumers were getting hooked on opiates for the first time from it, and told Goblin to keep his mouth shut so he wouldn’t ruin the goldmine. Needless to say, Goblin ended up not trying that product and spilled the beans to his audience.
I have personally been addicted to opiates before. Kicking them is painful and extremely difficult, and I don’t think I could have quit if I could have just gone to a corner store and picked up smokable morphine. Even after over a decade clean, I felt the small pull of temptation when I became aware of the existence of 7OH.
I’m all for legalizing drugs, but putting them in gas stations and making them available to 18 year olds with no warning of the addictive potential is not the answer. It needs to be done safely, and until then, we don’t need to flood the streets with unregulated opiates.
Absolutely no one is smoking 7 oh, goblin is a clown and you are hilariously misinformed.
But good job spouting prohibitionist propaganda.
This just ensures deaths from more lethal opioids like fentanyl will skyrocket.
That being said 7 oh should be regulated and sold only to adults who are 21+, preferable through the mail or designated dispensaries
One quick Google search revealed loads of 7OH vapes.
https://7oh.com/collections/7oh-disposable-vapes
Maybe I misspoke by saying “smoking” when I should have said “vaping”, but either way, my point that it is a strong and immediate delivery system compared to taking Kratom orally still stands.
I agree that 70H should be regulated and sold to informed adults who want it. I also think it needs to be out of the gas stations.
I definitely agree that this substance does not need to be sold at gas stations
I have never once heard of this stuff being in a vape, I don’t know how effective of a delivery system this would actually be. (Just because I have never heard of anyone using them, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist however)
I worked at a headshop in Florida for a while and clearly it was popular but all we carried were tablets. I tried to tell most anyone who would listen to simply buy it online because the store I worked in was charging a ridiculous mark up.
I would be lying if I denied that I personally enjoy this compound along with other Kratom products but I seem to have a stronger ability to self regulate addictive drugs than a lot of people. I understand that the temptation of it existing so easily accessible at such high strengths can create an unhealthy cycle of usage that is difficult to stop for some people.
I also think there should be a cap of like 15-20mg per pill. The tablets that are like 100mg or some crazy amount are responsible for blowing out people’s tolerances. Most people don’t read about dosages they just take one.
I’ve always read that kratom should be ingested, not smoked. Are people smoking straight up 7OH in the states?
I’m not going to say that the addiction part is false, but it is controversial. I’ve seen accounts of people that managed to get off of opioids with Kratom, but as any substance it can 100% be abused. Especially if you’re the kind of person that tries to get maximum potency with concentrates
No one is smoking 7, or Kratom. This is legitimately just mis/disinformation to further the agenda to ban 7oh.
7OH is not Kratom in the same way that crack is not the coca leaf. 7OH is a concentrated smokable product derived from the Kratom leaf that affects the user very suddenly and much more strongly.
I know, but banning 7OH also bans Kratom since it naturally contains it, doesn’t it?
They are absolutely going to prepare to ban Kratom after this, the DEA has had its eyes on Kratom for decades and the 7 oh thing will absolutely be used as a “tip of the iceberg” to continue to demonize and prohibit Kratom and it’s derived alkaloids.
On the podcast, they said that the laws had been written to specifically target the concentrated 7OH and leave the Kratom industry alone. I don’t know if that changed since the podcast episode 3 months or so ago.
If you don’t think they are coming for mitragynine and plain leaf Kratom after this then you are naive
In a draft notice of intent in the Federal Register, scheduled to be published Monday, the federal agency says it will temporarily make 7-OH a Schedule I drug.
