• I Cast Fist@programming.dev
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    6 days ago

    We used a one-piece body side, and so that means if you damage like the rear fender, the repair operation, depending on the level of the damage, you can either do body work or you have to cut out a portion of the panel, re-weld the new panel on,

    So, a problem of design that didn’t really think about repairability

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      5 days ago

      I’m not even a mechanic and I can tell you that no car company thinks about repairability.

      Hell, just replacing a consumable like the battery can be a major chore that requires far more disassembly than anyone with a functional braincell would consider appropriate on some cars.

      • AeonFelis@lemmy.world
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        5 days ago

        You’d think cars, at least, will be built under the assumption they’ll typically have to be repaired rather than replaced.

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          5 days ago

          They used to be. Go back far enough in time and you could climb up under the hood into the engine bay to work on it. All that went by the wayside to get smaller packaging, lighter weight, and better fuel efficiency.

          Now you need special tools or special code readers to solve/diagnose all vehicle problems. The large scale farmers are dealing with this now with the large combines and harvesters needing a tech with special equipment to read all the codes where the older tractors from the 70s and 80s can be repaired.

          • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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            4 days ago

            I’m getting annoyed at hearing this “they made them better in the old days” trope.

            Modern cars are pushing 200-300,000 miles of life. They don’t rust like they used to, and complex, efficient engines can be diagnosed with a read from a computer screen, as can the entire car electric system. Sure, older vehicles had more room to do repairs, but they always needed repairs. Lots of rose colored glasses being worn here.

            Vehicles like giga cast Teslas are almost like hot wheels cars, one large casting of aluminum, which is often too expensive to fix so the car gets written off. Rivian and Tesla didn’t give a shit about collision repair…until sales are being choked when people get insurance quotes. Tesla setup their own insurance and it’s losing money. Poor design means Teslas crash more than any other brands, and get written off more than any other brand, which sets actuarial tables on fire.

            Now Rivian CEO cares because bad design is affecting sales.

            • historicaldocuments@lemmy.world
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              2 days ago

              Lots of rose colored glasses being worn here.

              I will take modern rust prevention tech every day all day. The control modules and circuit boards are a hole in repairablity, and there’ll be a wall where nobody makes them anymore and the specs are not published (considered proprietary/trade secret/whatever), and that whole vehicle will just have to be scrapped. The world won’t ever see the end of old body-on-frame vehicles with crate engines. Speaking for myself the “rose colored glasses” is a wish for the best of both worlds. I wouldn’t doubt it’s out there being done somewhere, but I’m sure it’s cost prohibitive to do it, or people are doing it for themselves.

              Maybe I’m just complaining because I don’t personally have the time/knowledge/workspace to do what I want in that area. C’est la vie.

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    5 days ago

    This is why it is such a shame that all the major auto manufacturers could not be bothered to produce a decent cheap EV. They have repairability figured out from the start. They already have dealers, parts, crash safety, etc all worked out.

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      5 days ago

      The first two generations of the Nissan Leaf and the Chevy Bolt are the closest to what you’re describing.

      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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        4 days ago

        The current Leaf and Bolt are under $30K. The first generations of leaf were garbage due to lack of battery temp control, the Bolt had major battery safety issues.

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          19 hours ago

          I agree the lack of liquid cooling on Leaves is problematic - I see their batteries die much sooner, often under 10 years. But it’s fine if you don’t live in a hot climate.

          They also replaced the batteries on every 2017-2020 Bolt between roughly 2022-24 with warranties until 2032. So by buying a used one now, you get a car with a battery that’s only 2-4 years old, not 6-9 years old. That alone makes them worth it.