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The only way to stop price increase is unsubscribing, Google need to know it’s a loss, not a win.
I really wish PeerTube would take off, or any other alternative.
Nebula.tv has been pretty good. I’m considering the lifetime subscription.
There’s a lifetime subscription? Maybe I should be considering that too
Peertube while a neat idea might be the single biggest fucking joke I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s so beyond a pipe dream that it wraps around into absurdity.
To be perfectly frank a lot for the open source/federated stuff is basically a comically unuseable joke.
A handful manage to get barely half way useable like lemmy because it basically just a repost dumping ground from the big social medias. Or a more modern version of a old internet format.
But it’s still at best half useable. That still makes it more useable then what a lot of the corpo alternatives are. But when your only saving grace is that the other options are worse by virtue of being shit.
It doesn’t make you actually good. It just makes you less worse.
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube: surfaces creators’ videos pays creators hosts the videos handles CDN
Peertube: The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes) There’s no surfacing There’s no payments If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
I’d rather money not be involved. There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless. I’d actually say YouTubes monetization is what made it shitty
There’s plenty of people willing to release good content regardless.
But there really aren’t. They would be all over the free platforms that have existed for years. But Peertube is nearly bereft of quality content, there are maybe a dozen regular creators that make anything interesting enough to 50% of the population to watch.
No money means no videos. That’s just facts, you can bitch moan and cry if you want. But till money gets involved your not going to see anything actually meaningfully grow.
Video production is just too costly to produce even on a hobbyists level. Either in time or money.
Poxlox “bitch and moan and cry” huh? Yeah that’s why it worked for youtube for 7 years from 2005 until 2012 when they openly monetized. Shut the fuck up.
I’m not shilling for LMG, but something like Floatplane would make sense. You pay per creator for their extra content and ad free viewing and the cut goes in favor to the creator. Of course Floatplane has to also make money. They’re not in it to serve you ads or use your data to make money. If that took off I could easily see people paying 3-5 creators monthly to watch their videos ad free with extras on one platform.
Nebula has more and is cheaper. I had some interest in Floatplane. Last time I looked at it, Youtube was cheaper for my use case and them not listing creators up front is bad news.
Same, dude. The power users will assume everyone has the time to assemble/learn the skill of setting it up. That being said, it’s on my list of things to figure out one day!
yeah, one of the responses lower down made me realize why PeerTube is unlikely to be a success any time soon - it’s not something the typical YouTube user has to deal with.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
They could still get sponsors and have “ads” during the stream. Though most already do that in addition to YouTube monetization.
I tried to use it a few times but it’s truly god awful. Both performance-wise and in terms of discoverability.
Nebula is pretty legit but you won’t be able to find everything you want to watch there.
So they, too, can enshittify your whole experience? Or are they somehow immune from capitalism??
Ah, it’s federated. Makes sense.
It’s a federated network of open source servers, anybody can host it. So, I think we are pretty safe. For now.
a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.
Keep paying guys, someones gotta do it. Thank you for your service. Keeps YouTube available for the rest of us who will never, ever pay a greedy, evil fucking company like Google.
One day there will be only 10 people left paying 1million dollar a month
In my country, it’s $1.5. So I am paying so that you guys can get videos for free.
Here it’s appearently $17.81 now… Not exactly value!
We just had news about Bilibili going global, and their reaction is to increase prices even further?
Smarttubenext on nvidia shield
Revanced youtube on android phones
Ublockorigin on browsers
No more ads.
Unwatched for YouTube on Apple devices.
and ProTube on IOS devices
I was not aware protube was available again. I used to use that app 10+ years ago but Google sued them.
I’ve never had revanced last more than a week. Bad luck i suspect. Newpipe->greyjay->brave
Three seperate active dev teams fighting off the bastards.
I don’t want to use brave, but it’s never been down for me, so it’s weapon of last resort.
I am a bit worried that, with Google’s upcoming changes, they’ll be a walled garden within a year.
I Just run YouTube via my browser with adblock instead of trying to fiddle with an app. And i have another extension so videos doesn’t stop playing when i turn off my screen.
This is the way. I don’t give the apps any space on my devices. Everything is through my browser with extensions.
no wrong answers
Ublock on firefox mobile seems to work well for youtube, never had that break
Does it work with the screen off, or is there another mobile plugin that supports that?
What is wrong with brave?
Brave is just Google but one step removed and a shitty pr team. Brave has no more power to stop Google then you or me. The only upside to brave is you get to enjoy features a little bit longer because brave doesn’t update to new versions that remove them.
Eventually they have to give in just like every other chrome browser. Because brave isn’t an actual web browser. It’s just a chrome skin with a plugin package.
Also grayjay, new pipe on android
vacuum tube for smart TV.
There is so many project to just get rid of YouTube’s ads
It wasn’t really worth it before, now it’s even less worth it?
Revanced works perfectly fine on Android and on desktop I use an adblocker.
What exactly does revanced do to what programs? The website is no help.
Repackages and patches an older version of the Android ytb app as well as some other apps. The patches do different things for different apps (usually remove ads).
YouTube morphed
This is the way
Does Adblock work for YouTube?
uBlock on Firefox
You don’t even need Revanced. Just use Firefox on both.
I like Revanced. I can listen to stuff even while the screen is locked and have sponsor block and other addons if I want. I think half the time I spend on my phone is watching Youtube and it’s heaps better than Firefox with an adblocker on Android.
Holy shit $16 / mo?? Did I see that right?? Wow. Just last year my partner and I really considered getting premium cuz we have some YouTubers we’ve been watching for like a decade. But ultimately decided against it cuz it was like $8.99 / mo.
That sub is already alotted to Netflix, for the ads version too.
My days of not giving YouTube money have certainly come to a middle
I sometimes feel bad for bypassing all this, then I see the in video sponsors they all have. So now I run Sponsorblock…
tbf, their sponsors don’t know they’re being skipped.
And they don’t pay for you skipping them, which is a win for advertisers, but a loss for Google.
I assume smeeg was talking about inline sponsors not associated with google who don’t get metrics if what you saw/skipped
People pay for YouTube premium?!?!
For me it was debating what music service I wanted to pay for and I decided ad-free YouTube without having to get around anything was a fine bonus. And it was a decent trade to my brother and cousin when I was in their HBO and Netflix families. But I’m not going to say it’s “great” or anything. In fact if they ever cut my brother or cousin from my family plan (we’ve moved around the U.S. since I first got it,) I’m dropping it.
I do for years and I think it’s great value
I get the same thing for free, so it’s actually a terrible value for you.
I don’t mind content creators getting paid for their work. That’s part of the value of paying.
You don’t get that value.
I contribute directly to those who I can, with patreon. I don’t watch advertisements, and I try not to give money to corporations.
Consider these open-source front-ends:
No ads, no tracking, very customizable. You can import subscriptions, but signing in isn’t supported except in FreeTube Mobile. Also these apps sometimes don’t work for a few days whenever YT changes its back-end.
Newpipe is another option
Newpipe and Grayjay are great options!
NewPipe is shite compared to Morphe.
At least its fully foss, doesnt requir an account, no microG shit, can downlload(actually download) videos, forks have sponsord block, doesnt take up 1.5GB,
Thank you! I have ad block for PC but am forced to use mobile for awhile and was dreading the incessant ads on mobile.
I guess it’s not too great of a coincidence though; YouTube is always making the platform worse, so these recommendations are flying around pretty often.
If you’re on iOS, check out Orion browser—it can install firefox extensions, including ublock. I’m pretty sure there are ways to get this done on Android, too, but I’m not familiar with them. I haven’t seen an ad on youtube in years, on desktop or mobile.
I use this for Android. https://github.com/A-EDev/Flow/
Do people really pay for this?
Yes. But mostly because I know that my view pays the creators I watch orders of magnitude more that an ad based view
Being ad free is just a bonus I don’t really notice because I have ad blockers anyway
I’d rather give to creators directly than give Google a cut.
I just do both
Fair point, never considered the creator revenue. My regular channels I’m part of their Patreon, but they are channels I learn from, makers.
That’s just an additional thing for me. I spend around 100 bucks a month on patreon, but it’s just not possible to do that with all channels I watch
Oh, and nebula of course
I make a list of things to learn. Get a 30 day trial and download every single video related, then cancel.
I am on email #8 doing this.
Only an email address? I have have no shit maybe 50 email addy’s for reddit for all my bans. I collect bans like its my job on that shit site.
They are getting crafty, I figured out the latest tracking and a lazy work around. Next will be a VM, I know that will make it easier.
i love you for doing this
Its an honest living trolling the shit out of that site. I only log on to fuck with them. Otherwise I’m logged out burning up their bandwidth w/ ad blockers.
NO REVENUE FOR YOU!
Hey at least you make their metrics look better. Look at all the new sign ups and activity!
I have to ask, how are you getting around Google’s identity verification system? The last couple times I tried to make a fake Google account, it’s wanted an actual phone number. Not a virtual number, an actual phone number. So I’m curious what you are doing.
I am not creating new accounts, just reusing ones I have had for years created before all these phone verification bullshit.
darn, okay, well thanks for the response lol
Wait until you hear about Libretube, pipepipe, newpipe or any other Youtube OS alternatives out there
Better yet with LibreTube you can remove shorts and download 1080p or higher
I have kids and parents who watch a lot of YouTube and I don’t want them watching ads, nor do I want to deal with helping them avoid ads in more creative ways. And the (per-person) price of a family plan isn’t as bad as an individual plan.
paying to not watch ads, means you pay more and more to watch ads. the problem with ads, is people are paying to not watch them which enforced charging more.
it’s a cycle of abuse and you have Stockholm syndrome as a result. break free…
in theory: that’s correct
in practice: I’m not picking this battle (for now, at least)
I understand the whole thing. just be happy
I used to have YouTube Premium.
The main reason for paying for it was that I don’t like having to sit through ads. A nice benefit of Premium over ad-blockers was that a part of the revenue from YouTube premium goes to creators in lieu of advertising revenue. YouTube gets money for running the service, the creators get money for making videos, and I don’t have to watch ads.
I stopped my Premium subscription not because it was getting too expensive, but because YouTube is an American company. Ever since Trump got elected for a second time I have been progressively working on cutting out products and services by American tech giants from my life, and YouTube Premium was a very easy one to cut out.
These days I just use an ad-blocker. If the creators want revenue from my view, they can upload to a platform that isn’t YouTube.
Plenty. I don’t imagine ads cover the huge cost of hosting video in this day and age, especially with all the adblockers running around ( saw an ad revenue number in a study a while ago, google supposedly makes between 100s-10000s dollars per person, depending on their “value” ).
I for one am grateful to all the paying subscribers - it means google will more readily tolerate my shiny freeloading adblocking ass.
I do. The benefits are worth it to me. It is my main source of video consumption.
Ads removed on iOS without having to do work around is great. Not throttling me for using an ad blocker on desktop is also nice. Contributions to content creators I watch. Access to YouTube music which I use in my car.
For me it’s worth.
Check out “Unwatched for YouTube” on iOS. It’s a bit janky, but it works. Certainly better than paying for premium.
uBlock Lite is now available as an extension for Safari. I’m not sure what the Lite is about and saw other people complain about it, but for the past month Youtube on iOS has been a lovely experience for me.
That requires using YouTube through the browser. I use the YouTube app. It’s a different dynamic.
I pay for YouTube Music and premium gets thrown in for free. Why? It’s mostly momentum.
I used Groove back when that was a thing, and when it folded I could migrate my playlists to YouTube so it was easy and than $10 a month. Now it’s $30 but it’s still like buying a cd a month. I am slowly de-googling and some month will stop using the service. It just hasn’t been a top priority.
If you did this, you’d have like 20 CD’s by the end of the year (way more id you can find used ones) that you completely own and no one can pull the license for later.
Ripping them is easy and allows you to play them anywhere, even without internet.
20 cds that don’t exist that I can’t buy and the artists don’t make. Would require me to lug around a cd binder again and jury rig a CD player in my car. Install a CD player in my pc. Etc.
CDs are a fucking dog shir medium anyways prone to getting fucked up and broke and scratched.
The correct fix it actual fucking digital files with no drm. If you have to go back to physical media as your argument then get a fucking idiot. The only reason to get physical media is because you personally enjoy it. But objectively it’s a fucking absolute fucking nightmare to deal with and a pain in the ass to use.
I can stream more than 20cds worth from a catalog far more expansive than anything I could dream to store. It’s simply worth the money for my usage. Moreover, I don’t want to store anything locally, physically or otherwise. I’m ok with the risk of them pulling licensing, because after over a decade and a half of usage it’s been an issue thats come up fewer than 5 times, and each time there was an alternative track/release available (i.e. part of a newer album or rerecorded).
I don’t disagree with you. But I have a lot of CDs already :) The rationale for me is that it’s all available. I watched a Billy Joel documentary recently (I know 🙄) but it made do a listen through his discography. I’m glad I didn’t buy those. It turns out I already knew the songs I liked and discovered 0 enjoyable deep cuts. But even at $15 a disc that would have been a $200 play through. And yes I’m aware of the high seas and the library.
While true, I don’t have to do any work at all right now to listen to as much music as I want and new music is available immediately. I also don’t have to setup something to be able to stream music remotely so that I don’t have to store all of it on my space limited device.
Ah so they bundle it in if you want it/use it that jives as they can bolster the “numbers” for a service no one is seeking out.
Now it’s $30 but it’s still like buying a cd a month.
it’s about twice as much as a mainstream cd at a brick-and-mortar or a random sampling of physical disc offerings at bandcamp.
But I don’t want random bandcamp samplings. I mean I like new music and go to a lot of Indy shows, but I want the ability to hear a song I like and then do a deep listen to the artist without committing to CDs or a trip to the library if it’s available.
If you’re going to be paying for a music streaming service, you may as well go for YT premium as you get other things for barely any extra cost. Otherwise I don’t see the value.
I’m in the process of going local and replacing YT music though.
I rarely use YouTube. Maybe twice a year using a separate android app so no ads or other shit. So for me this total obsession with YT is beyond me. What on earth do you watch everyday?
Lots. That’s why the price is going up.
HAHA great point!
apparently yes, so they dont see ADS.
I stopped paying however many years ago it was that they killed Play Music. YouTube Premium was just a benefit to a music service I felt was worth the money. Once they sucked all the humanity and soul out of Play Music and pushed YouTube Music on everyone, I bounced. Been using NewPipe on mobile, TubeArchivist and Jellyfin at home for videos I want to retain and watch on my TV or whatever.
I do. Years ago it was just google family stuff. I share it with my parents and wife and sisters. We have a decent library of shared movies(we don’t buy those anymore) and we all use YouTube music. Ad free YouTube is a perk to it. If we cancel, we all lose it and I’m sure Google would not let us be a family scattered around the country.
Splitting the cost makes it worthwhile, we watch a good amount of YouTube and we enjoy our kids can also watch stuff on the tv ad free.
I pay 24 bucks a month for the family plan, as it’s my most used platform.
I get youtube music and no ads on YouTube, while sharing the benefits with 5 other family members. so, about 4 bucks I’m paying a month per person. I’m okay with the price
I accept that if I block adverts in add supported content that’s a problem. The creators get a cut of the money (way more than ads get them!) and accept most goes to Google because Youtube is hella expensive to run.
… if it gets ridiculously expensive then I will find somewhere else. I keep meaning to try Nebula…
I use YouTube Music, and get Premium with it. Other people pay for Spotify, and don’t. Plus they also have to actually use Spotify instead, which is like a double negative.
YT has made the non subscriber experience for music so bad I wouldn’t consider it. Minimize the browser to check msgs and music stops, so dang annoying.
this… it’s a horrid experience without paying so why the hell would I ever pay… that and I know the price goes up with features being removed.
I’ll continue to subscribe to nothing
Yes. I’m lazy and watch a lot of YouTube. I cannot deal with ads.
That said, I have prime video through Amazon prime and it asks for, like, $4 per month to skip ads. I stopped watching prime video because of this.
i just use ublock origin for youtube ads, they havnt done anything to stop the adblockers yet.
I don’t watch in browser mostly. Else I would do this too.
And they wonder why torrents just won’t go away…
IPTV too.
Paid for Premium for ten years. Then, moved to a family plan since my brother offered and my wife had moved in with me; it saved me a little money and got her Premium. Then they did the thing they’re all doing where they said “you don’t live in the same house so you’re not a family” and I said, “there’s no way in fucking hell this household is paying $25+ for fucking YouTube, a thing we watch too much of anyway because it’s algorithmically mind-fucking us everyday,” and then we just let it lapse. We’ve got SmarTube on the Android TV for the occasional ad-free video, and it’s clunky enough that we don’t get sucked in, and I’ve got uBlockOrigin on my browser because obviously, and they’ve gone from getting some money out of me to never getting a penny again.
And the fucked up thing is that’s not across the board, for example I’ve been using family premium since it basically came out and my users are located all over the place. Two of which have never even been to my place, and live 4-6 hours away.
It’s shitty, because I wish everyone could have the experience I have had with it.
LOL.
