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2nd to last paragraph:
And this isn’t some anti-AI screed — I’m all-in on agentic software engineering!
To be fair the internet was already shit before 2023
That is definitely true, but right now it’s as if that shit has been out in the sun on a hot summer day, right after rain.
IMHO using ai to automate tasks is not the same as using ai to generate sloppy content
Using AI to automate tasks that could be automated with a script is awful. And if the endpoints are there for AI to trigger actions, then a simple script could use those same endpoints to do the same thing.
Using AI to help write the script? (Strong emphasis on “help”) Ok, maybe in some scenarios.
But just constantly running AI to do shit is like firing up your big diesel pickup to go down the block to visit your neighbors, except in this case the diesel truck can’t even be trusted to reliably take you to your neighbors every time you want to go there. There’s always the chance it’s going to decide to go somewhere else.
That emdash tho
Emdash is useful punctuation — I use it all the fucking time.
On the other hand, “it’s not foo; it’s bar,” once a quirky rhetorical flourish, now scans lazy and sloppy as shit.
Also, swearing like a motherfucking sailor helps establish one’s humanity. So fuck off. No offense. Have a lovely day!
The emdash is a much bigger sign of llm slop than the semicolon. Leave my semicolons outta this.
Llms swear.
The it’s not x it’s not y it’s z! Not x not y just z! Always been lazy. Don’t tell the reader what it isn’t
“Don’t tell me what isn’t so,” has to be something I say on an hourly basis when I use AI. If you ever correct anything, it just writes itself little notes like doing something dumb would be the obvious behavior otherwise.
“This service does not use JPA, it uses JDBC, so don’t add Hibernate to the dependencies.”
Motherfucker, what? Four words: “this service uses JDBC.” I swear it’s a gimmick to make AI use more tokens.
let’s make them enjoy it less
i’ve seen multiple “the internet is turning to shit, but i love AI!” posts this week. absolutely brain-dead.
The internet is in small communities we shitpost in along the way
The internet isn’t the internet anymore. It’s walled off, corporatized, and exclusionary.
The internet used to be for people.
Now it’s for profit.
Learning about the world through 500-character snippets, or 30-second videos, is not a serious way to engage with knowledge.
Just don’t consume it. Same for blogs.
It’s like junk food. It’s not going away, so just don’t consume it.
yeah, but you get socially isolated if you don’t consume it.
just like 30 years ago if you turned up your nose at mcdonalds everyone thought you were an asshole, because it was considered great thing and only weirdos would not eat there.
further all of this bleeds over into your real everyday life.
If you feel the need to eat McDonald’s because of what other people think, then you have worse problems.
so being a dick about mcdonalds and having no friends, is better than having friends and not being a dick about mcdonalds?
and we wonder why gen z is so lonely… maybe because they’d rather be alone with sticks up their ass than remove the stick, eat the mc, and just have fun and make friends with people.
The undernet is growing as the overnet is bloated and dying of it’s own poison.
And what would the undernet be? This Lemmy here?
Check out Neocities, it’s a revamp of the old Geocities platform.
All individual small sites, in the style of the late 90’s-early 2000’s web. Tons of animated gifs, sparkling cursors, hand-crafted HTML and CSS, web rings, shrines and fan pages, etc.
Very fun to just click random pages and explore, just like back in the day before search engines and algos curated our feeds and content for us.
Here’s a direct link to the gallery. Scroll and blindly pick one with your finger with your ur eye closed
Oh man! Its been so long since I have seen geocities like sites. This is going to be a great rabbit hole, thank you.
Holy shit, that sounds good and will look into it. Thanks!
Humanity may never see anything like the 90s-2000s era again. That was a distinct milieu of nearly unbound creation and discovery. Not only did corporations remained skeptical of the internet. People were highly averse to being manipulated because the internet was untrustworthy. Paradoxically that’s what made the internet trustworthy. Once trust was established of course. It was a perfect mix of factors that made it a unique period in history.
Everything gets enshittified - Capitalised, and nothing good ever comes out of those leeches and parasites.
The Capitalist religion crushed a new global, free and open digital community landscape. Say loud and proud: ‘thank you Capitalist believer’, for how it looks and works today…
Maybe all this bullshit is a needed step to bring back old internet
We need forums back… the fediverse is a good start in my book.
I only enjoy very specific hobby subs\forums. Beyond that you can’t find anything because all the search engines rank to by ads. Looking for a real review is a joke, its all AI\bogus.
YT is getting worse w/ all the AI slop. I just stick to my channels that again are hobby/interests I have that haven’t gone AI (yet).
I haven’t been on FB for over 10 years, no IG, no tic flop, or other social media because its a nightmare.
I’m not encouraging you to use YouTube, but if you do, marking stuff you aren’t interested in and removing every slop video from your watch history can help a lot. The YouTube algorithm very rarely recommends slop to me
I do this at least 5-10x a day, and they keep showing me the same shit from a different “account” same fucking stick man, same fucking asian guy with glasses, same old white fucker with white hair and glasses. I’m tired boss
Lately, YT has been serving me sort of schizo-slop. On the one hand, it’s content I’m interested in, the base stories are good, the presentation isn’t bad - but it’s low effort and long running for no reason. A story that could be related in 15 seconds, well told in depth in 3-5 minutes is dragged out, repetitively repeating its few points for 20 minutes or more.
It’s a vast improvement over the teaser text stories that used to promise you’d read something interesting if you just scrolled past 500 ads and click forward 50 pages - those became rather instantly recognizable as time-waste abuse 15+ years ago, low cost low quality writing from low paid humans. The new schizo-slop has a core of seemingly verifiable interest (if it’s not actually verifiable it’s a core of a well written believable fiction), and seems to be filling in around that core with verifiable interesting context, it’s just taking 5-10x longer to present than is needed, or interesting, and I’m wondering what they think they’re gaining by sucking people’s attention in for so little in return?
YouTube paid by the time people actually watched the videos in the past (as far as I know this changed recently) so there was a real incentive for Youtubers to add a lot of worthless filler to the videos
Never tried that or considered it, thank you!
yw, also subscribing to the people providing good content should help too. Most of my feed is from subscriptions, with related content inbetween
This I have seen in action, one sub I like is Mount Baker Mining, which lead me to Dan Herd, then to Mine Operator, and others.
Can we make a new internet?
We here on the fediverse are currently trying to build it.
yeah, but fedi has lots of baked in issues, especially a virulent userbase that is glad to use bots and other tools to turn fedi not into a liberal space but an illiberal space full of extremist and exclusionary politics. they are bringing over their social media echo chamber stuff and just try to re-create it here rather than on commercial platforms where they were kicked out of or left due to censoring of their extremism.
the issue is a large section of the userbase here isn’t like 2000s tech libertarians, that founded most of the internet and the 'net culture we are nostalgic for… a lot of that mentality is essentially extinct or viewed as toxic now. recall that reddit never had a block feature until 2016… 11 years after it started and only when Donald Trump was already in office.
hell most of the devs who are building the fedi are different flavors of political extremists themselves… and there are already many scandals/debates over how many fedi projects have baked in controls or default settings to censor and block things.
more than the internet, the world itself and it’s viewpoints are fundamentally different from where they were 20-30 years ago. we had much more of a monoculture and a narrower overton window back then. the type of stuff that goes on cable news programs these days would have been un-airable 20 years ago.
even in using reddit from 2010-2015, there was a massive tonal shift as the site grew, and it became massively more miserable as the politics flooded the site and every other subreddit became people fighting over R vs D.
Yes, we can!
Be the change you want to see!
Together, we can make it better!!!
I’ll be the motivator for the team, all we’re missing are the programmers. Or wait, should we vibe-code it?
Tap for spoiler
I am sincerely sorry about the vibe code comment. I threw up in my mouth when I read it out loud. I’m sorry.
I hope that we’ll collectively decide that it’s rude to pass off LLM writing as your own, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
We won’t unless we stop the source perpetuating this “culture.”
Big Tech.
Unfortunately, they kinda have a grip on everyone’s information sphere, so I think our chances are low :(
It’s a good post, I agree with it. And I guess The Pale is a good description of what we are noticing.
I got to experience the internet before it became like this, so at least I have memories of greatness. But the desire for great profits ruins everything. Not only the internet but the world.
Greed for excessive amounts of money is the root of evil, the bible got that right. But humans are not aware enough to see a future where greed is not the driving force of society.
Humansbillionaires are not aware enough
The only thing that feels akin to early internet to me is the chat in video games. I miss being able to moderate things with my own brain thx.
I got called colorful slurs for being shitty at Deadlocked the other day. Kinda nostalgic.
I’ve long thought that we need a web 3.0 that uses a different protocol entirely and is techie and difficult like getting on bbs’es was in the 80s . For a good 20 years until that one gets enshitified too we have another chance.
Check out project Gemini:
“Gemini is a new internet technology supporting an electronic library of interconnected text documents. That’s not a new idea, but it’s not old fashioned either. It’s timeless, and deserves tools which treat it as a first class concept, not a vestigial corner case. Gemini isn’t about innovation or disruption, it’s about providing some respite for those who feel the internet has been disrupted enough already. We’re not out to change the world or destroy other technologies. We are out to build a lightweight online space where documents are just documents, in the interests of every reader’s privacy, attention and bandwidth.”
No auto playing media. No cookies. Nothing tracking you. And they built it, as I understand, to be deliberately difficult to add new features to, to prevent enshittification.
if all you want is static webpages and text documents you dont need a new web.
I want privacy, and long form thought.
Neither of those things thrive in an environment where everyone is trying to extract value from thought and personal information.
I like this. I’ll check it out when I get home or if I hide from work today.
I don’t know who are they, but they could just curate their online experience by looking for something that is actually organic and genuine, and drop their anchors on that.
