idk it’s my first time (kind of) trying to do dataviz, I thought the original post was super interesting but like other comments said, it was hard to read.
I think in a way it’s mostly because defederation is complex to show as links, since it is the break of said link, but hopefully this type of graph is better ?
you do lose the “group” of instances view, though (and also I did not bother with per instance MAU as raw number + percentage, or sofware used)
let me know what you think!
I think it’s prettier but harder to glean information from.
Very cool, bien joué ha ha
So why does everyone hate lemmygrad and hexbear? I’m out of the loop on that.
tankies.
Hexbear originated from ChapoTrapHouse fandom which is a part of the so-called dirtbag left that explicitly antagonizes (neo)liberals. They also don’t use downvotes and encourage users to voice their opinions instead.
So every wave of redditor freaks the hell out when they get a handful of hexbear users clowning on some take like it’s a coordinated brigade attack.
I have mixed feelings about that. Thanks for explaining!
I should probably add there’s also been a community on my instance dedicated to portraying Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and .ml in the worst possible way, usually by taking a single comment or DM out of context. The user running it finally fucked off from the Fediverse just a month or two back.
Since that community is now being run by overt Zionists who are into spreading outright doctored screenshots, hopefully it’ll fall into long overdue irrelevance. If you ever see the term ‘tankie triad’ that’s probably one of them.
tankie bullshit
lemmygrad because they are perceived as tankies / commies, and thus get all the kneerjerk reaction from the people who are unwilling to apply the same standards to the US, the EU or Israel.
Hexbear, honestly no idea.
they are too extreme for the normal extremists.
I love how almost everybody defederates with Lemmygrade lmao
It doesn’t even Include https://lemmy.today/ that has no defederation or blocking at all, and has never had, since the admin feels it’s up to the user and not the admin to decide these things. You know, free and open internet, remember?
Also one of the best themes of all Lemmy instances if you ask me.
You gotta ask the OOP about that, but my guess is, in a graph that shows instances that defederate, why include an instance that doesn’t?
why include an instance that doesn’t?
Because it lets you see how common or uncommon defederations are relative to the total set of all instances (or at least, all minus the long tail of very-low-user-count ones). And although it would make the graph larger, it would also make it sparse and IMO that would also be easier to read.
It could also give a misleading impression that all instances defederate or are defederated by somebody, making people think it’s more common than it actually is. (Or maybe not doing that, if you include allish instances and it still ends up being not very sparse.)
I see your point I guess. Perhaps defederation is something that users want, and then they are happy to see who does it the most?
Im not like that myself, but I can see the point.
Came here to say that!
I can’t comprehend why people would join instances in the list. If you don’t like a particular instance, just hop into the user settings and block it! Why let others set your blocklist?
Besides ideology, preferences, bot filtering, or content, there’s also the matter of blocking things like CSAM, gore, etc. Lemmy proposes to not only factor in user preferences but also to properly curate the content via its moderators.
because it’s less work.
Doesn’t take much normally. But still, I think Lemmy would surely benefit from adding custom filter lists that users can enable or disable at will.
I notice that it presents sites with the same editorial body as separate cases, such as piefed.ca and lemmy.ca. Perhaps it would make sense and potentially improve readability to collapse any cases that have the same in and out arcs as each other. (So, all the cases that have no blocks and only block lemmygrad as one collapsed entry, for example.)
Now I am curious what is going on in fedinsfw.
Legal risk. Being federated means mirroring the content locally and that can cause liability for the instance owner. Laws around porn can vary by country and to some being federated could be illegal, or be an unreasonable risk.
porn that makes most folks uncomfortable
Reposting porn from other sites i assune
Hexbear uses a whitelist so they are not federated with a bunch of these instances besides .world
The Hexbear Great Firewall exists to keep the Beanis contained
Ah, thankyou! As a lazy person not sure who my instance was blocking, I now know. Excellent. Better find an instance who doesn’t block any instances.
I’m on sh.ijust.works because it has a bad word in it. I don’t know what you’re all complaining about
Amen, sib. If there’s one with cunt in its name we’ll go there!
It would be cool to have something like the internet map but of the fediverse
There is https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map but I don’t know how accurate it is
edit: it looks completely off at first glance lol
It’s very pretty and a worthwhile attempt, but personally I think it’s rather unreadable lol. All you need is four circles for the four major groups that defederate.
I’m kinda surprised that so many instances have defederated from fedinsfw.app It’s just porn, right? Who cares?
Maybe I’m naive and missing an important point. If so, I apologize for my ignorance.
If people want porn there’s a million places they can look instead. It makes sense to just remove porn spam from your instance, most people don’t really want it in with everything else. Also, it’s harder to moderate or find people willing to moderate it.
Okay. Those all sound like good reasons. Thanks!
The way the apps and frontends are setup, its easy enough to use alts for different usecases instead of having porn attached to general instances. Seperating gooner personas from regular is a positive imo. Keep that energy on the nsfw instances, banning them isn’t like reddit getting rid of a community, everyone still can sign up and access it on the same app they already use. I always hated scrolling on r/all and seeing porn every 5 posts (nsfw tag covers a lot of non porn) Doesn’t mean I don’t use reddit for porn, I think I wouldve preferred having an alt there that only showed porn subs and vice versa with my main account showing none. Some seperation is healthy imo.
i havent seen any of the discussions leading to this, but i assume the sheer amount of images/video takes up a lot of space, so they instances decided to avoid it altogether.
that and potential risks if something particularly unsavory becomes mirrored on your instance.
For the .ml instances, it is due to ideological opposition to porn because of it’s exploitation of workers and coercive/abusive practices.
but i assume the sheer amount of images/video takes up a lot of space
You can adjust settings in Lemmy to not store other instances media like this, so this shouldn’t be a big problem with the right config.
i know blahaj at least defederated it because of “a community for porn of women that appear to be under 18” (direct quotation from a local-only post)
i couldn’t find it myself (there’s a lot of communities on there!) but i’m guessing it’s some sort of “barely legal” porn community, which is gross (but unfortunately very common). so good riddance imo
Ick. That’s a good reason, too.
It’s not just porn.
It’s pretty much all fetish and kink stuff… At least last time I looked. Including cartoons of children. Maybe worse than cartoons. Noped out quick. Cops find that shit in your cache and you might be going to prison.
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This graph is indeed a lot more intuitively readable. I think it could be improved further by avoiding needlessly crossing the arrows, like for example pawb.social -> lemmygrad.ml is crossing multiple other arrows, even though they are right next to another. Some arrows could also be shorter to avoid crossings, like beehaw.org -> sh.itjust.works
This makes much more sense thanks
