Shopify CEO Tobias Lütke, whose company commands a market capitalization near $154 billion, told his social media followers this week that a tax-tiered voting system—one that would strip voting rights from anyone who pays no income tax—would be a “good system.”

That two-word endorsement, dropped into a viral thread, has reignited a debate over wealth, power, and democracy that most Americans thought was settled more than a century ago.

The proposal would invert the founding American principle of “no taxation without representation” into something closer to “no representation without taxation”—and specifically, high taxation. Reactions online split sharply: Some framed it as a provocative thought experiment about aligning fiscal responsibility with political voice, while others called it a naked attempt to legitimize plutocracy by giving billionaires and multimillionaires a formal, multiplied vote over the laws that govern everyone else.

But it also revealed that America is grappling with a political economy debate, as a frozen housing market and an entrenched wealthy baby boomer demographic have many, not just Lütke, arguing that something big needs to change

At this point, their necks practically beg for the guillotine’s blade. They keep reminding us:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of . . . tyrants.

-Thomas Jefferson in November 13, 1787, letter to William Stephens Smith.

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    That’s literally the problem, United Statesians just believe money is the only thing that matters. Rape children, bomb civilians, pollute water and air — no, that’s not a problem, we can look past that. If you make lots of money you are a good person, the more the better. That’s just very literally how our society aligns itself.

    Like it’s so absurd, oh you took a sabbatical and had zero income, no vote for you! Like did the renaissance NOT happen? What is going on in our country??

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      If you make lots of money you are a good person, the more the better. That’s just very literally how our society aligns itself.

      Gotta love the prosperity gospel. It is, in fact, God that makes you rich if you’re a good person. Not exploitation of labour. And God makes you poor or gives you bad health if you’re a bad person.

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      I’ve always liked the idea of once you hit $999,999,999 net worth, everything above that is 100% taxed and you get a little trophy that says “Congratulations on Winning Capitalism” and you get your name of the wall of a local bar.

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    Because the Ouroborus of capitalism has eaten around to the point it can see the back of its own head, and now it only has two solutions left.

    maximize short term profits at the expense of everything else, and secure their position via buying governments/overthrowing governments/becoming government, in order to secure the constant flow of money and goods upwards to them.

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    But everyone pays taxes, even the unemployed. Every purchase has taxes on it. For this proposal to work as he wants, the entire tax burden will have to be transferred to the income tax. Enjoy the tax hike and labor crisis.

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    one that would strip voting rights from anyone who pays no income tax

    So he’s in favor of stripping the voting rights of billionaires?

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      i think thats his argument. make billionaires pay tax to compete for policies. basically calling bribes tax or real life p2w, which it is currently but legal.

      My take is, sack all of these billionaires and idiots on an remote small little island and let them figure out how they wanna govern themselves.

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        Like atlas shrugged? i like it! If we use the Randian framing they’ll probably eat it up!

        “nooo dont leave whatever will we do without someone to boss us around noooo please dont isolate yourself on a remote island pleeeeeease”

        and then just not let em back in if they try

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        That’s not his argument. He, like all billionaires, think they pay too much. They still end up paying social security and Medicaid. It just ends up being less than 1% because it capped. He would still get to vote in his new proposed system.

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    Perfect example as to why wealthy people shouldn’t exist. Why should this unelected idiot have this much social power to even propose this?

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        hell, I don’t think people should have more than a few million at most. Just enough to perhaps buy ONE house and afford food. Billionaires have no place when there are people starving and barely managing to survive. They really are scum, aren’t they :/

        (gonna add me again, Admiral Patrick?)

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    Tobias Lütke is a German born Canadian. Why is he commenting about US elections at all? He has never voted in the US.

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      Because he makes money from it, capitalism and fascism have no borders.

      Edit: and I’m sure he’s voted with his dollars.

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      Because he hates democracy everywhere, and thinks the US might be the next to fall, if it hasn’t already.

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      Never having a history of voting in an election is insufficient to the determination of excluding a voter for ineligibility.