Why does Larry Ellison give me such crazy uncanny valley vibes?! Is his head too long? Moustache too narrow? Generally too smooth? It has fucked me up all day scrolling past this image.
Imagine. Oracle not being relevant. The dream
I really want one or more of these AI companies to fail hard. I think their only strategy is literally to burn through billions hoping it’ll be another company that goes to the wall first and they’ll somehow reap the rewards by hanging on longer.
No matter how much I try, all I see in this picture is Mel Brooks as President Skroob sniffing Air out of a can.
Fucking wild to read the article. Oracle got pissy because regulations said you can’t just shove datacenter electricity costs on people.
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And this was after they fired about 30,000 employees.
So now they HAVE to double down and fund this AI infrastructure, because sunk costs dictate that they can’t admit to a bad decision and hire back the terminated employees.
Just because it’s costly doesn’t mean they aren’t going to push forward with all their might, unfortunately
Start forcing users to use AI
lose staff
Fire staff so that AI can take over
lose staff
Find out AI can’t replace the users, get devalued
lose staffseems pretty toxic
My last day at a dumpster fire AI slop company is next week, and I can’t wait.
Buying Time Warner seems poisoned for digital companies, or their owners.
Ellison: job
creatordestroyer.People shouldn’t be working for super villains.
People stand around wondering why the fuck these companies are able to do what they do and these billionaires the same. WELL BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR THEM CHAD. IT’S LITERALLY YOUR FAULT!
DO NOT ANTHROMORPHISE LARRY ELISION
In a shitty job market, a job for the supervillain is better than starving and being homeless.
This rhetoric comes from a place of privilege.
It’s not shitty enough to completely leave your ethics at the door. You might need to take a little less pay, or work on something less interesting (although we’re talking about Oracle here).
Somebody who landed a job at Oracle had options. That is until today. Now they have 21,000 other people to compete with.
It’s the people somewhere like Nvidia I have some empathy for. They thought they were building gaming tech and they’ve ended up building the apocalypse.
Lol, I will admit, Oracle is like working for Palintir, you know what you’re signing up for.
Lmao, they are quite literally saying it is the suffering peoples fault. Evil supervillains literally find and abuse any leverage they can get to make people work for them, depriving them of any other option. That’s why they’re supervillains to begin with.
The /s was implied there, to me at least
Maybe I might use Qemu/KVM instead of Oracle Virtual box cause of their controversies.
(I am using KVM backend on Virtualbox)Oracle Virtual box - yeah company i used to work for got sued by oracle for using virtualbox. well extensions for it. fyi guys oracle tracks ips of everyone downloading it and their legal team will contact your company and shakedown the money .
My former employer just blocked oracle.com when they got the same letter.
I’ve worked in IT for close to 30 years and I’ve never met anyone with a good word to say about Oracle. I remember them being notorious for auditing their customers and nailing them to wall for even the slightest perceived infraction of their convoluted license agreements. I don’t understand how they still exist.
Their sales and especially enterprise sales team are good at convincing people that they really need MySQL. Once their pitch works, then come the lawyers and the nailing part
They exist for the same reason McAfee exists. They’re a CIA front.
Fr? Super interested do you know where I can read about this? :)
JDK is the greatest scam ever.
When something needs JDK, most people usually just download the first one they find without much thought, just like with any dependency, which is Oracle’s, instead of OpenJDK.
Oracle will go after companies where their employees unknowlingly installed their JDK for some minor thing, and hit them with multimillion fine for breaking their license after a while. Or at least I remember hearing they used to.
Blocking anything Oracle company-wide, especially JDK, is the first thing an IT admin should do.
auditing their customers and nailing them to wall
Vendor lock-in is quite profitable.
Big on Govt projects too
Yes but on top their software is clunky and lacks basic usability?
Once you start using their software you cannot stop
It is really performant for the job it is required to do, they sell haxadata server which have really high performances
Yet they keep working for an evil company. They could have not done that. Had a little integrity. But no, so…
Oh hey I’m from the future where you get judged harshly for where you choose to work.
They’ve sponsored some really cool sailboats
Broadcom support portal goes brrrrrr
You say that like it wasn’t the goal
I used to work for Oracle and this pleases me. Nobody should have to work for Oracle.
I worked with Oracle software, and … basically the same statement.
Some Oracle hr droid tried to hire me fresh out of university. It’s been “some” years, and I’ve never heard anybody saying that I was a fool for turning it down.
Chinese open-source models are becoming the norm. You don’t need the latest model from ChatGPT (e.g., a Ferrari) to complete your task. A simple Honda will suffice (open-source models), and it uses a lot less energy since it runs on your home or company’s infrastructure.
Because of that, I predict that we’re going to see a lot of financial hardship among AI companies.
Open-weight not open source mostly. And they’re not keeping them open weight forever. Once they’ve truly surpassed the west, their future models will likely be closed down too so they could charge Anthropic level pricing and turn a profit.
Deepseek v4 flash as it is now is perfectly fine for the basic agent stuff I use it for which is basically remote controlling my computer from a distance without using remote desktop. Not sure id be effected significantly if they blocked off their future models.
I don’t know how much they’re actually doing to surpass the West tbh. A lot of the success relies on distilling closed models, and running the models cheaper with almost comparable effectiveness. If the Chinese are showing that such profit/investment strategies in closed models are weak and can be easily decimated by a competitor, what motivation would they have to adopt one?
If their models truly are reaching parity with new western models as many claim, then it can’t be from distillation alone, they must be gathering their own datasets too. It takes months to train a new model.
Also distillation only really saves you the data collection and preparation (categorization). Training is still expensive, as is inference. It’s likely architectural changes that are making their inference cheaper (MoE vs dense models for one), not sure if they’ve gotten any good methods for making training cheaper.
There is zero proof of distillation. Minimax 2.7 development was surrounded by moderate use of Claude. M3 is their latest generation, and pretty solid, but its performance cannot be attributed solely (or even 5%) to distillation, and that is only lab that has been accused of significant API use. These claims are all 3-4 months old by now, and Anthropic blocked China access after publishing the accusations. Repeated BS is BS from losers trying to lobby for support.
Hop on rednote, they aren’t fans of their own AI and were collectively throwing fits when claude got banned there.
it uses a lot less energy since it runs on your home or company’s infrastructure.
A CPU-cycle requires energy no matter where it is. The open source models may be more efficient, or you may distribute the power usage over a greater geographical area. But you’re not using less energy because you’re running the model at home.
Because of that, I predict that we’re going to see a lot of financial hardship among AI companies.
I do like the idea that open source will kill tech giants.
You are correct. OpenAI etc. valuations are based on the difference between revenue and cost. The key part is that open source breaks the monopoly. It stops excessive rent being charged (now or in the future) to use Ai models.
Tech giants will still exist, but closed model advantages won’t.
i thought tech valuations were based off of vibes and social currency
Initially maybe. Long term, money has to be returned.
companies thought they were saving money by purchasing subscriptions from LLMs.
