Not really windows related but my work wonders why as an IT guy I think it’s a bad idea to force updates the day they come out.
Biggest patch Tuesday ever!
The company I work for is currently in the process of switching from our own server and email client to Outlook and OneDrive. It’s gonna be a fucking nightmare when we switch.
Breaking onedrive? I’m confused. It’s like that thing in Southpark “How do you kill that which has no life?”
Just amazing work coming out of the slopShop recently.
There’s an argument to be made that it’s better than what was previously released, given there are over 200 vulnerabilities to begin with. Though, Microsoft was slop long before AI
200?! Jesus. For what people are paying for it I’d expect 0. Goddamn.
So dysfunctional recycle bin and Onedrive I see as benefits, just a stable operating system would be nice to have.
Clickbait and misleading. Nothing “broke”. The recycling bin works just fine, the name of the file in the confirm delete popup is just displayed wrong.
It isn’t the details or severity of the break that matters.
It’s that the quality control process is SUPPOSED to catch that, and whatever sorry excuse for a process they’re using now ALLOWED a break that was obvious, visible, and repeatable, inside a critical, core function of the operating system, to make it to the end users, something that should trigger as an immediate, flashing warning light. That means the entire quality control process at the very least is SEVERELY compromised and unreliable, and there could very easily be MUCH more severe vulnerabilities and bugs hiding underneath that AREN’T immediately visible. To anyone who has done any professional development for non-disposable code bases, this isn’t a whisper of a problem - it’s an air horn.
AI found the exploits, and they clearly used AI to fix the exploits… That about as far as the QC conversation went
Lol, yeah that’s definitely broken
So, nothing broke, except the thing that broke. Gotcha.
That sounds kinda broken…
I have seen things mislabeled in Linux in the past, I’ve also seen minor bugs in Linux. It’s not broken if the software still works fine. Bugs happen with or without AI.
Linux doesn’t charge hundreds of dollars per license to fund the development, rake in billions in profit, and then funnel that money into stock dividends instead of a proper quality assurance team.
Depends on the distro.
Hundreds of dollars per license, and they still run ads in the os…
Linux is zero dollars and shows zero ads…
Sounds like Copilot code.
Well… It looks like I need to go back to Debian.
Why would you ever leave?
Because it’s boring… And honestly, that’s the best reason of all for why you should stay!
I got bored/curious and wanted something shiny and new, and I’m okay with occasional weirdness and things breaking,
I was on fedora for a while and now I’m on cachyOS with niri as the window manager.
The real question is not why would you leave, it’s why would you go back to micro$oft…
I have found a couple of web sites that don’t work with Firefox on Linux but do with with Firefox on Win11. Costco pharmacy is one. I still have a win11 laptop I can use, but I don’t use it a lot and there are always massive updates every time I power it up.
So, microsoft, how’s that vibe coding coming along?
Why do i ask? Oh, no reason.
Idk how to tell you, but it’s AI that found the vulnerabilities created by humans in the first place… Of course they didn’t have to use AI to fix the discovered vulnerabilities, but it would’ve taken a lot longer and more than like still be riddled with bugs
How is falling to show the name of a file in the recycle bin fixing a vulnerability?
It isn’t. They patched a shit ton of vulnerabilities. In the process, the broke the recycle bin confirmation.
I don’t know how to tell you this, or actually I do: They vibecoded the update.
I know. I said as much. But they vibe coded patches to vulnerabilities found by AI. Vulnerabilities created by humans
is there any anecdotal evidence that IT departments are at least considering, thinking about, having an initial assessment of doing anything but just buying whatever slop microsoft is spewing out?
kinda feels like until the river of gold from enterprise sales slows there is no downside to microsoft burning their platform.
my anecdote is that no, IT is still a MS crack addict.
Nobody gets fired for buying Microsoft.
It’s because they sell all of their products as a vendor package with advertised SLAs and “discounts”.
If your company needs cloud stuff and you happen to want Azure, you’re basically getting locked into Teams.
Unlike specialty software like Adobe, pretty much everything Microsoft offers has feature parity or superior alternatives, it just relies on the fact that businesses aren’t stuck on any one of their products.
There are actually a handful of companies that only use MacOS or Linux, but it requires both your IT team and management to be competent enough to throw MSFT away, which is much harder to do in a legacy settings when your entire domain infara is a 20+ year old AD domain.
People can barely use Windows and it’s been around for 30 years.
I am not teaching 180+ staff how to use Macs or Linux.
I’m not an MS fanboy by any means, but my job is hard enough without adding extra shit sprinkles on top.
Fuck that.
You obviously have zero knowledge about working in that environment.
I am not teaching 180+ staff how to use Macs or Linux.
It’s not like they know how to use Windows either.
Yeah , most of the people in our IT don’t know how to use windows, much less teach anyone else about it.
They just try, and often fail to lock it down so that people can’t break it. They remote in and make something slightly less bad and say, “well that was all setup wrong”. but they never teach anyone a thing - or apparently learn how to use install all this ms shite they buy before they force it on us.
I think that’s the real issue with linux. IT people don’t want to learn it, and learn how to secure it - because many of them - especially the mamagers have got imposter syndrome about windows or something or stockholm syndrome, i dunno…
At least when they fuck it up with miscsoft they can often blame MS - and often they’ve got a reasonable case ans MS does seem to keep fucking them over with updates.
aww, chear up, here have a hug (*˘︶˘*).｡*♡
day to day people who don’t care about computers as a hobby memorize the steps to using their computers along with the icons. The average person couldn’t use Linux in a work environment simply because they lack critical thinking skills required to use a slightly different computing environment. Your everyday middle management refuses to cut productivity for long term change that isn’t overwhelmingly positive to their bottom line.
I’m curious what the people down voting you thought. You’re 100% right. Critical thinking is in surprisingly short supply. If I provide instructions with pictures that have big red circles and an arrow around what they need to click for each step, I still need to make sure the instructions aren’t more than like 7 steps otherwise they get lost.
Most people - especially those without critical thinking - are clicking buttons in browser based CRM systems. Or using some other web-gui hold their hand and query or transact with a database. OS makes no difference to them.
Even my very slow public sector org has moved most of its database interfaces to web apps by now - though i think there re still two important native windows (probably DOS) applications.Apart from those something like Chrome OS or OSX would probably be best for them - they just need a stable, up to date web browser.
with cloud storage, and even MS pushing people to web apps, even paper pushers working via documents can still just use browser for stuff, and many are.
Lots of people i work with suck so badly at MS Word that they don’t even know how shitty the web version is. They literally just click stuff and if the OS opens a web interface, then that’s what they use.
Most of these people use androids or i phones for lots of things, so they certainly are capable of using things that are not windows - they just learn what buttons they need to click to do what. Like they would’ve in the 70s/80s with a unix terminal. Or in the 30s if they were operating a telephone switchboard.
Fair. Thing is, Microsoft are changing windows anyway, what with all the unwanted features they’re integrating.
The IT dept at my work uses exclusively Microsoft shit. Like, google products are banned on my work phone, as is pretty much everything else. They said this is for security and to help them remain GDPR compliant. As you might imagine, it’s shit.
google products are banned on my work phone
Including Play Store?
Not entirely. It’s an android so it does have the play store, but only about a dozen apps are allowed to be installed. I can’t even install what 3 words, which my work uses constantly. Also I’d like to install the Google swipe keyboard, cos the Microsoft one is shit.
Basically, the combination of a device that’s locked down hard and it only allowing MS products makes my work slower and harder than it needs to be.
Work phones are usually iPhones, so yes
Ha, rich people problems.
I just don’t want OneDrive. Can it stop refusing to be deleted?
You can delete it from your run registry, and uninstall it by running
%systemroot%\SysWOW64\OneDriveSetup.exe /uninstallBest we can do is remind you later.
You can procure windows LTSC.
Behold, massgrave
I second this, along with removing
kamikazeI mean Copilot.
Linux Users:
Ironically people who “btw I use Arch” have been FREAKING OUT because their precious arch user repository got massively infected with infostealer malware, lol
This was just this week
I don’t use arch btw (I’m a Fedora stan)
Nobody is freaking out who isn’t a moron.
There are a handful of arch users who eat crayons… if the windows users in 2026 leave any I mean.
I use Bazzite btw
I agree. It’s the ideal choice for gaming, and until recently, I had never heard of it. I can’t imagine going back to Windows 11 unless I was held at gun point and even then.
What a gamers nexus normie!
Nexus is a good channel, but normies don’t even know what linux is. Steve may be tech Jesus but he’s no linux bro.
Sweet
For those of us Arch btw users:
https://gist.github.com/Kidev/85756c3dcad3623ca5604a8135bafd14
precious arch user repository
I think you vastly overestimate the importance of AUR. A lot of Arch users had to say something about the incident and many of them didn‘t even use it. It‘s definitely nothing essential.
Also Arch users still don‘t give a fuck about Windows. This whole AUR debacle has little to do with what OP was actually getting at.
Maybe so. I use cachy just for the record, so I’m not piling on with linux hate. I’m just enjoying the madness of it all. :)
FYI, CachyOS is Arch based. It has access to the AUR. If you weren’t effected, that proves the point.
The AUR is a repository of last resort. It’s useful, but you should be careful. That’s true even before this even. It’s a repository made by users, and is not verified.
lmao, but yea- lesson learned anyway 🥀 never will install random packages without properly checking it, Got too carried away by "yay -Essing everything :sob:
I use arch (kinda), and has zero issues. It was a problem if you used unmaintained packages from arch, as adopting them and contaminating then was the attack vector. Using someone that’s unmaintained is always kinda questionable, so instead I’d just manually install that instead (it shouldn’t change if it isn’t maintained anyway).
This is why I love flatpak and sandboxing in general
Flatpak ruules!
I had a mild panic then realised I’ve never used AUR so I’m fine
The Windows equivalent of this would basically be the discovery that a bunch of apps on the Microsoft Store were infected with malware.
This really sucks for people that migrated to Linux without becoming Linux experts, and chose a friendly distro based on Arch that came with the AUR, like the often-recommended CachyOS.
The packages on the AUR are all user created. It’s not really comparable to the Microsoft Store.
Is the Microsoft Store not full of apps not created by Microsoft?
It’s apps approved by Microsoft. They only made a small fraction of them.
And the AUR is not currently accepting registrations, so some degree of vetting is clearly happening in both cases. I don’t know how stringent for either.
This wasn’t supposed to be a perfect one to one comparison, just an interesting sidenote lol
I think they’re currently taking extra precautions, because of this event. I don’t think they were vetting users before. Regardless, it’s significantly less controlled than the Microsoft store. The equivalent of that is the official repository, not the user repository.
AUR is not the official repository. Its more like downloading a virus from Mlcrosoft.com.
The AUR is hosted on https://aur.archlinux.org/.
Just like how Microsoft hosts the Microsoft Store.
That’s like saying that github is equivalent to the Microsoft store. Sure, they provide the space for the repository. It’s controlled by users though, as the name implies. It isn’t the official repository, like the Microsoft store is the official “repository” for Windows.
The Windows equivalent of this would basically be the discovery that a bunch of apps on the Microsoft Store were infected with malware.
You mean like this?
https://www.howtogeek.com/788382/beware-of-malware-in-windows-apps-on-the-microsoft-store/
If it was the actual apps and not just look-alikes, yes.
There is a reason why the arch community had such a bad reputation when it came to newcomers, they were gate keeping good technical knowledge of the system. It had the side effect that most people became royal dicks on the forums and stopped being helpful, but it did have what I would consider the intended effect of people being wary of everything they did on their system.
I find the easy arch distros to be fairly interesting since my recommendation has always been that anyone who wants to daily drive an arch distro should install arch through command line at least once and read about the packages they use. I personally run endeavor os, but I started by doing the leg work, which led me to the conclusion that I prefer flatpaks over aur if it is available because they are far more easier to maintain good security practices on.
I think that’s a silly thing to say given that the arch wiki is the most comprehensive source of up to date technical Linux knowledge available to everybody. If you mean support for people on the distro itself, it does explicitly market itself to people who are already knowledgeable and willing to be their own support, so idk what you’d expect
CachyOS is completely 100% unaffected UNLESS people chose to install applications from the AUR.
You could literally say the same thing about Arch though
Which is honestly just as hilarious, because I use Ubuntu just trigger Arch nerds.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of people.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of people.
Seems pretty unhealthy to be so weirdly angry at people who simply use a different Linux distro than you.
Hahaha I eat crayons so other people get mad
Neat.
Doing something to spite strangers is the most pathetic thing you could possibly do.
Lol, I’d rather have AUR malware than Snap packages. You do you, friend. All the arch based distros are fine, only the AUR is affected, so unless someone goes out of their way to use the AUR they’re golden.
I partially chose Linux Mint to skip the whole snap nonsense. I seriously don’t get how it’s been so accepted in various distros.
For the casual user, they Just Work™. The famous ones like Stean, at least (I tried it sometime ago, it’s better than the flatpak version nowadays). If you never change your cursor, never check out your partitions, etc. snap’s problems aren’t as visible
Can’t we all just… get along?
At the Red
HatHouse we can!
Kubuntu minimal install doesn’t have snaps.
Until you install Firefox, that is.
You can still override it to install the apt package, same with thunderbird.
Serious question, what is causing Microsoft to consistently put out bad products and broken updates?
Copilot and C*Os.
Somewhere around the end of Windows 8, they fired all of their testers
Now they’re using AI to make patches
It’s been a steady decline, not a fast decline
Copilot
A major problem is backwards compatibility. There is so much infrastructure that would break if they wanted to redo portions of code in a more correct fashion. They have a massive variety of systems, and they’re all integrated. Any time they want to do something, they’re scared of something breaking. This time, AI is finding a shit ton of the vulnerabilities that are in these systems, and at least in part fixing them. It’s unclear how much of the code is written or review by humans. But they’re making changes to try to fix these vulnerabilities, and things are breaking. The Microsoft code is a giant fucking spaghetti mess, which means it’s bloated, slow, insecure, inefficient, and overall shitty. It’s not profitable enough to fix all of this, too. Fixing shit you already have doesn’t get shareholders attentions. So it’s AI in everything instead. New shiny stuff to keep the adult babies with all the money happy
Maybe missing code tests?
Yeah. My work machine now regularly black screens for up to 30 seconds then comes back. The Adobe Acrobat reader we are forced to use is now so bloated that it freezes the whole machine for up to a minute. What an OS.
My work machine now regularly black screens for up to 30 seconds then comes back.
Almost certainly driver, sometimes a failing dock or cable though.
The Adobe Acrobat reader we are forced to use is now so bloated that it freezes the whole machine for up to a minute.
That’s just adobe products. They’re great for subscription revenue for adobe.
I switched to fedora for work myself and onlyoffice is handling my current pdf needs, works great and FOSS. Can save to DOCX and everything… and the same program handles those too.
We have monitors where static shock anywhere on the desk will turn off the monitors for a few seconds and then come back on. It’s very annoying
That’s a grounding issue, not anything to do with Windows
Lately whenever someone complains their C partition is full, it’s always unmistakably Adobe’s fault. Their shitty way of updating piles up crap in the Windows Installer folder. Uninstalling Adobe and cleaning up its garbage, no joke, frees up anywhere from 20 to 40 gigabytes of storage. Insane.
What software are we talking about here? There is no way Acrobat takes up that much space. Photoshop might though.
Whoa.
Nice.
My employer just switched away from Adobe, so thankfully, haven’t see those issues.
Mine has been doing shit like that for close to a year, the graphics driver is sooooo unstable
Proprietary garbage as always
